Bio Diesel

Thats great, but please stop shouting.

Cheers,

Cruiser

Im hard of hearing, but yes ,no shouting !!!!!!!

Giffo

Some farmers in the West use their own Canola to produce all the diesel for their on farm needs. It is not a simple process, and requires having the seeds crushed off site at a commercial processor. ]

Motherhen

sorry about the noise

Interesting report on the TV last week about the price of corn and the production of ethenol in the USA.
The amount of corn required to produce enough ethenol to fill the tank of a large SUV in the states will feed a mexican for a year.

'And dont forget bio Fuel is about as environmentally unfreindly as it gets'


Could you please elucidate as to why it is so. ??????

Because there is nothing be degrading for the environment than more land clearing to support bio fuels
Farm land north of perth - wholesale land clearance with little remnant bush for animals to live and increasing salinisation
protected mono culture ensures that anything that can survive there will be killed



not far north the minesite where i work the level of land disturbance is a fraction. flora and fauna is monitered and protected. Most disturbance is from the running of goats and sheep in this area

Hmmm links dont work

I wouldn't suggest more clearing, just convert land already cleared to diesel tree use.

(1) replace useless under performing grain crops,

(2) replace useless and unwanted, underperforming and in-efficient dairy farms where the operators of same have killed everything.

(3) Provide a haven for other diverse the fauna & flora

(4) Lower our dependency on the camel jockeys

(5) Give the oil companies a bit of competition

(6) give our politicians something else to tax out of existence and some something else for us to throw them out of office in retaliation.

(7) lowering of the water table and subsequent salt reduction/management.

Hell! man, these could be the environmental saviour of WA enabling the long awaited seceding from those 'over rast'

The advantages just go on and I can't think of one negative point at all.

At what price Lucy?

Grow Bio Fuel, to sell to the rich so the poor starve?

Richard! Richard! listen to Moi'


Read my post and you will see that I never said that.

I specifically targeted dead, under performing agricultural areas that if shut down tomorrow wouldn't raise a fly spec on the food producing radar.

Also only areas that are already cleared and definitely no new clearing.

And those areas badly affected by salt due to rising water tables caused by those 'clear at all costs' galoots.

The subject trees could very well be WA's answer to recovering usable land for use in other diverse industries.

Who knows. ?

I do know that - if you never have a go, you will never ever know.

Sorry

never said you said it it was just a question.

The one most people (on one in general) don't ask... :-)

Cheers

Richard

Most people are in it for the money, so the most paid will be served

interesting, we were presenting at the csiro bio fuels conference the other week, certainly no "breakthrough" they were trying to find out what everyone else was up to. The curent leaders in bio from algae are the kiwis and japanese, but the DSTO here have done studies and found hydrocarbons from algae to be a very suitable fuel source, guess when we knew this.....................................................................................................................................................................1978 !!

There is a big move on now away from bio from food crops or from de-forestation. None of the big players want to touch it.

Bio from algae for basic transport fuels grown on effluent ponds or in brackish lakes is very viable. For aviation fuels algae is also an excellent feedstock for synthetic conversion through the Fisher Tropsh process.

Lots of tech issues for bio at the moment - ie cold performance. And no one wants to fork out for the cash for an FT plant.

sorry, forgot to mention the diesel trees as planted in QLD take 20 years to yield any feedstock oils.