Engel or Waeco? Consider this.

Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 01, 2008 at 15:42
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I mentioned Michael Mitchell's Cancer Walk a few days ago and those that have supported him.

I'll stress again, this bloke is not running around with his hand out. He's happy to pay and is grateful for any discounting that may be offered.

He approached Waeco to see what they could do. After 3 weeks of being dicked around, referred from one person to another, the answer was sorry but we.............

Next day he approaches Engel, within 24 hours they let him know that they would be happy to donate a 57L Combi.

Not only do they offer him a fridge, it is close to the their top of the range of units.

This will certainly influence my next fridge purchase and I hope many others.

Jim.

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Reply By: Cruiserman1961 (QLD) - Tuesday, Apr 01, 2008 at 16:32

Tuesday, Apr 01, 2008 at 16:32
Well said Jim, my sentiments exactly. Doing business is not only making money, it involves a certain amount of commitment and community spirit as well. Well done Engel! You are supporting a worthy cause!
Cheers, Udo
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Reply By: Voxson - Tuesday, Apr 01, 2008 at 16:41

Tuesday, Apr 01, 2008 at 16:41
It never ceases to amaze me how a choice between the two need be made when you put them side by side.
Unless you cant afford the extra 200bucks then i can understand.

There is barely a comparison, they both are fridges,, there is your only comparison.

One has a floppy lid and the other is sturdy and secure.
One has a great seal and the other has barely a seal.
One has a great latch and the other has flimsey.
One nuisance trips out on low voltage and the other doesnt.
One draws 4amps and the other under 2.

And what great guys for giving a fridge to this bloke.Good One.

How can anybody argue with the above.?

Dont answer or you are as bad as i am. lol...... LOL>>>>>.....



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Follow Up By: On Patrol (East Coast) - Tuesday, Apr 01, 2008 at 19:11

Tuesday, Apr 01, 2008 at 19:11
One draws 1 amp the other 2
One can rust the other not
One trips out on low voltage and so does the other
One is lighter than the other
One likes to pay too much for their fridge
Yeah I'm as bad :LOL

My goodness has it sunk to who or who does not support a charity case!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Common fellas.
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Tuesday, Apr 01, 2008 at 22:18

Tuesday, Apr 01, 2008 at 22:18
Engle 1amp? hmmm it's better than I thought. No runst in mine either. Mine doesn't trip out on low voltage. It runs the battery flat. Lighter? Stronger I reckon. Pay too much? Well I have seen a couple of Wacko's have problems on trips. For a couple of hundred more which is nothing these days (what a tank of fuel almost these days) I'd go with the Engle.

Leroy - bad bad...
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Follow Up By: Krakka - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 12:06

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 12:06
Leroy, surely you are not trying to tell me that an Engel has NOT failed on a trip, EVER? My Wacko doesn't trip out on low voltage either if I select the appropriate mode for it to run in, and if you wont miss a couple of hundred, please send me as much as you can spare, Thank You.
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 12:27

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 12:27
I don't beleive I said anything about an Engel not failing. What I mentioned was what I have observed personally with 2 Waeco's. So there is no spare cash and I'm happy that i spent the extra $200 on a quality product.
Look you can go out and buy a Sonique or Palsonic plasma tv and it will give you pictures the same as a Sony or a Panasonic. But I know what brands I would prefer to buy.

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Krakka - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 17:11

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 17:11
I agree to a point, but, I dont believe there is as big a difference between Waeco and Engel as there is between Sony and Palsonic.
By the same token, is the Nissan Patrol at $20,000 less than a Toyota Landcruiser a piece of CRAP? BTW I drive a L/Cruiser, but I wouldn't regard the N/Patrol as that bad. At the end of the day it comes down to personal choice, and if some of these brands were as bad as we make them seem they wouldn't still be in business surely.
Cheers Krakka
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 18:07

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 18:07
I agree to a point, but, I dont believe there is as big a difference between Waeco and Engel as there is between Sony and Palsonic.
By the same token, is the Nissan Patrol at $20,000 less than a Toyota Landcruiser a piece of CRAP? BTW I drive a L/Cruiser, but I wouldn't regard the N/Patrol as that bad. At the end of the day it comes down to personal choice, and if some of these brands were as bad as we make them seem they wouldn't still be in business surely.
Cheers Krakka

Yes, but surely it all depends on what tyres you're running too. If you're silly enough to have Coopers (they make great beer, but shocking rubber donuts), instead of Goodyear MTRs you're asking for trouble.

Also, if you've chosen a Magellan GPS instead of a Garmin.... well, what can I say?..... you desrve to get lost...

And..... if you've bought yourself a Uniden radio, I don't want to talk to you on my GME......

And.... if you have TJM accessories (instead of ARB).... I'll wave to you as I drive past while you're trying to sticky-tape your roof rack back on.....

Where is it all going to end?

hahahahaha

Roachie
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Follow Up By: Krakka - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 19:18

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 19:18
Hi Roachie, It all ends when I part with my cash and buy what I have deciced to buy. lol.
Cheers
PS. Doesn't it all depend what engine you choose to have in your ChevNissan? haha
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Tuesday, Apr 01, 2008 at 20:54

Tuesday, Apr 01, 2008 at 20:54
No matter how worthy you believe the cause to be I don't think you should be bagging someone because they decide not to give something away. If every 'worthy' cause in Australia asked for some free products a company would go out of business very quickly. How do you know that the company in question has not already 'given' heaps of their products away already this year ? How many 'free' trips do you give away each year ? And does it really matter what or which charity any individual or company supports anyway.
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Follow Up By: Jim from Best Off Road - Tuesday, Apr 01, 2008 at 21:40

Tuesday, Apr 01, 2008 at 21:40
A man works two jobs for three years so that he can take 13 months to do a walk to support cancer research.

AT HIS OWN EXPENSE.

The support vehicle is HIS OWN. A 98 Jackaroo. This man is not some wealthy piilanthropist on a self promotion mission. He is a genuine human who is dedicating a substantial part of his life to help save people from death.

I'm doing everything I can (within reason) to help him, as I have been touched by Cancer in my family.

If we, as a relatvely small business, can afford to put him some goods at cost, why the hell couldn't Waeco? He wasn't asking for a freebie, if Waeco had bunged him a Fridge at genuine cost he would have been over the Moon.

Engel did better, much better, they are to be commended.

And I hope they generate some sales from it, because they deserve it.

Jim


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Reply By: Member - Tony W (VIC) - Tuesday, Apr 01, 2008 at 21:38

Tuesday, Apr 01, 2008 at 21:38
"This will certainly influence my next fridge purchase and I hope many others.

Jim."

Jim, don't you, or didn't you actually sell fridges? If so how does ths relate to your comments? Have you started selling Engle?
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Follow Up By: Jim from Best Off Road - Tuesday, Apr 01, 2008 at 21:54

Tuesday, Apr 01, 2008 at 21:54
That is a most obnoxious comment.

You don't get it, this is a cause that is beyond brand loyalty.

I have principles and qualities that you don't understand.

For your simple understanding, I sold Waeco Fridges, at cost, to my drawer customers as a service, nothing more.

Frankly, it is too hard, and there is no money in it. But I will offer my customers Engels, IN THE FUTURE, again at cost because I support decent companies.

You have a nasty mouth Tony, and your innuendo is not appreciated.

Jim.




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Follow Up By: Member - Tony W (VIC) - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 07:36

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 07:36
Jim, Please don't over react, I didn't say anything, I just asked.

I thought that it might have been better for to say that you were in the fridge business rather than it would influence YOUR fridge purchase. Given your comments I think thiswould have been inportant aside info.

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Reply By: Steve from Top End Explorer Tours - Tuesday, Apr 01, 2008 at 22:42

Tuesday, Apr 01, 2008 at 22:42
Hey Jim.

Perhaps there is a bigger picture here, I'm a corporate sponsor of a charity in Darwin, in fact it's the Variety Clubs, Palmerston shopping centre special children's Xmas party.

I would also help someone like Micheal if asked, It is a great feeling to help those that are in need, but it's not always possible, companies have a budget for this sort of thing, and perhaps Waeco had surpassed that.

If he comes my way tell him to look me up and I will give him 4 seats on my tours to raffle at the local pub. ( June to October)

Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: Jim from Best Off Road - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 17:06

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 17:06
Great gesture Steve.

He's starting the walk in Cairns and heading South to Wilson's Prom.

I'll pass the offer on.

Regards,

Jim.

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Reply By: Shaker - Tuesday, Apr 01, 2008 at 23:06

Tuesday, Apr 01, 2008 at 23:06
There is no comparison between the 2 brands of fridges, it is unnecessary to say any more.
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Follow Up By: Member - Hanker (NSW) - Tuesday, Apr 01, 2008 at 23:42

Tuesday, Apr 01, 2008 at 23:42
Waeco,
always had a bad ring to it.
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Reply By: Member - Craig M (QLD) - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 00:37

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 00:37
I work in an aged care facility and see people dying of cancer every day. My partner is a theatre RN and tries vainly to save the lives of young people with cancer every day.

It is not about who does what at what cost for whom. It is about what that individual does for the greater cause that is important.

If this bloke Michael wants to raise some money to help fund finding a cure stop my son, daughter, grandchild, parents etc dying an horrible, painful and possibly preventable death then he has my ovation.

Let's not lose the focus here people. It could just as easily be your loved one or even you that is next. If you doubt what I say, take a walk through the oncology ward of your local hospital. What you see will overshadow any argument about which fridge manufacturer needs the support of the travelling community.
All kudos to Engel and to the other member from NT who offered to help.

Maybe we all should give some thought to seeing how we could help this guy make a difference. Not argue about fridge current draw and floppy lids.

Jim, please publish a link to his appeal co-ordinator so we can donate. We both see too much cancer related death every day.

Craig & Julie
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Reply By: bigjon - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 11:26

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 11:26
I guess we'll all have to support Telstra, Carpet One & McDonalds now as they donate a considerable amount to charities. I'm looking for a new car, any recommendations on brands that support charities?
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Follow Up By: Krakka - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 12:14

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 12:14
Well summed up Bigjohn. How many people bag Telstra? MANY.
But MANY of these outback charity functions and rallys etc rely on Telstra for satellite comunications. I am not a suporter of Telstra, just making a point about brand loyalty. Ronald Mcdonald house is a huge supporter in the health services,But I wouldn't eat the crap if it was FREE.
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Follow Up By: 318 cruiser - Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 08:42

Wednesday, Apr 09, 2008 at 08:42
Toyota sponsor the AFL is that near enough to charity work for you?
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Reply By: nowimnumberone - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 12:24

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 12:24
waeco arnt to bad
they sponsor this page
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 12:49

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 12:49
ROFL....well spotted :-)

Andrew
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 12:51

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 12:51
Jim .
Check ya mail ;)
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Follow Up By: Krakka - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 17:13

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 17:13
Thought this was a public forum, you need to whisper Truckster?
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 09:19

Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 09:19
Sorry didnt realise you needed to know everything

I was telling him he had nice tits.
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Follow Up By: Krakka - Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 12:01

Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 12:01
Like I said, thought it was a public forum, OBVIOUSLY you have a BIG DICK on your head.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 12:38

Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 12:38
Awesome comeback... AWESOME!! 12yrs old? Maybe 14?

It's school holidays still isnt it??
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Reply By: Gone Bush (WA) - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 15:13

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 15:13
I ran a retail outlet near Perth for 10 years and was bombarded with requests for donations, freebies etc etc. Everybody from Rotary Clubs to PreSchool quiz nights to the family who wanted to get their son/daughter to a dance competition in downtown anywhere on the east coast (airfares).

Eventually you have to cry: enough is enough!

By all means spread the good word about the people who did support this person on his commendable cause but you are simply out of line bagging those who didn't.

Aren't there some other fridge manufacturers you could have bagged too.

What if Outback Interiors supported someone and you got bagged because you chose not to? Maybe you had all the valid reasons but would you like the bagging?

You certainly do have principles that other people don't have... thank goodness for that otherwise we would all be holier than thou.



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Follow Up By: Jim from Best Off Road - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 17:01

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 17:01
I'll explain this again, see if you get it this time.

He would have been more than happy with a Fridge from Waeco at COST. That is they would only need to forgo their profit. That is, it wouldn't have cost them a cent to support him.

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Follow Up By: Krakka - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 17:17

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 17:17
Trying not to be cynical Jim, but I guess Michael wouldn't have told Engel about Waeco's negative response would he?
Krakka
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 17:27

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 17:27
Let me explain it and maybe YOU will get it this time.

Your attitiude is awful. People do not have to comply with the way YOU think.

When it comes time to buy my next set of drawer storage systems..... guess the rest.

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Follow Up By: Jimbo - VIC - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 17:36

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 17:36
My attitude is that i could not face myself in the mirror if I profitted from someone who is doing such a worthwhile, noble thing.

If that's awful, well I'm awful.

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Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 17:12

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 17:12
Jim,

Maybe you should read Uncle's Blog "Eucla to Kalgoorlie". Paragraph 4 mentions a donated Waeco fridge. Who donated it ? I don't know.

There are a lot more fund raisers for Cancer than just Michael Mitchell's worthy effort.

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Reply By: Brew69(SA) - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 19:05

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 19:05
Jimbo.....maybe a well done Engel post was what you should have done. I am sure Waeco have done their fair share of good deeds but all company's have their limits. Where i work it all gets down to the timing of when you ask. Someone may ask for a donation one week and get knocked back but the next week there is room for a donation. And as for value for $$$ Engel have a long way to go before they are competitive lol.
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