What's the best 4wd

Submitted: Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 20:03
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I know this is a bit of a silly question because of personal tastes & requirments. but from reading this forum & other it seems the 2 best are the Landcruiser & patrol.. Is it pretty fair to say that if your traveling around the country a lot & need a 4x4 these are about as good as it gets ?
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 20:10

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 20:10
Line has been cast.... now, let's see who bites!!!!

I dunno whether this is a trol post, but if it's not, then it gives a very good impression.

FWIW, in my opinion, the best 4x4 is a Nisota Landtrol !!!!

Roachie
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 20:51

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 20:51
Only if fitted with a Waengel and shod with BFCoopers.
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 21:31

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 21:31
...with accessories by ARJM
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Follow Up By: Muzzgit [WA] - Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 00:21

Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 00:21
You all know the one and only true 4WD is a LADA NIVA!
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Follow Up By: Dave Thomson - Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 19:10

Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 19:10
Beat me to it Roachie , but it was a good cast aye ? lol...............
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Reply By: blue one - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 20:19

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 20:19
Would have to be a Forester because Harold has one.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 21:33

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 21:33
Someone should give him an H1 as a birthday prezzy.....
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Reply By: Jim from Best Off Road - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 20:20

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 20:20
Lada Niva, no question.

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Reply By: ozwasp - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 20:38

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 20:38
Hi

How long is a piece of string?

How much money do you want to spend?

The Patrol is better value for money over the Landcruiser.... There's about $20,000 difference

I've got a Hilux, but hired a Patrol while in Cairns in November and it had no problem doing the CREB and Bloomfield tracks.

It was a 3.0 auto turbo diesel and was nice to drive and good on juice.... I'd buy one over the Landcruiser, as it does the same thing while being a lot cheaper!!

Will.
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 22:28

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 22:28
"What's the best 4wd?"
Price has nothing to do with best.
I don't think he was asking for best value for money which may bring a few lesser contenders into the equation;-)
Cheers Craig...................
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Reply By: Member - Axle - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 20:42

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 20:42
Best 4WD??

Dunno!!.....Cat 961 front end loader maybe.


Cheers Axle.
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Reply By: Isuzumu - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 20:54

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 20:54
Now if I had sh't loads of dough I would have a VW Touareg R50 (258 KWs/850 NMs diesel just in case some one does not know what it is), but I would still kept the MU so I could go as far or further than the Trol/Cruiser hahahahahaha.
Cheers Bruce
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Reply By: Redback - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 20:54

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 20:54
Hire car or company car, depending on insurance.

Baz.
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 20:55

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 20:55
Make sure you have an auto transmission on the rear axle and a manual transmission on the front axle.
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 21:37

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 21:37
...not forgetting the autolocking manual hubs.

One must-have??? A towbar with fully fitted boat on trailer and a bracket mounted on the back of the rear bar for your TROLLING motor
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Reply By: Member - David P (VIC) - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 21:14

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 21:14
What a stupid question, everyone knows the WRANGLER diesel auto 2dr in red with the Renegade option is by far the best. It does it all in a single bound :)) :)) (when it can be bothered, cape and all).....silverback
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 21:50

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 21:50
You will also have to have go fast paint stripes and a couple of those fitch thingies
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Reply By: warfer69 - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 22:04

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 22:04
I'm with Dougie here something CHINESE !

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Reply By: Crackles - Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 22:54

Wednesday, Apr 02, 2008 at 22:54
Best all round 4x4 for Aussie conditions would be a 100 series TD Landcruiser cut down to a twin cab. Modified with Fox suspension, diff drop, regeared ARB lockers (diff strenthening), D tronic, 35" Procomp mud terrain tyres + the usual bits & pieces.
The TD engine has stacks of power yet very good fuel econemy giving it an excellent range. A 100 twin cab would be spacious, comfortable quiet & the rear storage give easy access to gear. The oversized wheels make driving offroad smoother & far more capable, the lockers making up for any compromise with the superior on road handling of the IFS.

Best standard 4x4 for lighter duty use, TD Prado 120 series.
Best standard 4x4 for offroad. Jeep Wrangler Rubicon.

Cheers Craig.............
HZJ105.
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Follow Up By: ozwasp - Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 03:20

Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 03:20
The question was 'What's the best 4wd?', not 'What's the best all round 4x4 for Aussie conditions'

The 'best' 4WD wouldn't be a Patrol and it wouldn't be some redneck chopped out Landcruiser either.... It would be something that the likes of NASA built for use on other planets

Most people don't want a vehicle designed for rodents and that can't be registered... But perhaps if you have $10M, NASA could build you the 'best' 4WD that you could fit into.

I suppose it really depends on your interpretation of 'best'



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Follow Up By: Crackles - Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 17:48

Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 17:48
As I doubt ss to be a space cadet somehow I think a NASA 4x4 would be useless to him but if you have some specifications of one, that would be great so we could compare it's features & ability to other suggestions here.
(But I know where you are coming from)

PS: You should take a so called "redneck chopped out Landcruiser" for a drive one day. All round ability and features very impressive & as the owner is 65 he will get a laugh out of being labeled a Redneck ;-))
Cheers Craig........
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Reply By: PajeroTD - Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 02:32

Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 02:32
Possibly a HMMWV (Humvee)? If a Landcruiser gets in your way, just drive over it. But I would think a tank could do even better than that... So don't be limited by your local dealerships....
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Reply By: Member - Barnesy - Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 02:50

Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 02:50
There are a lot of silly replies to your question ss--ss. Sometimes it's hard getting a straight answer isn't it?

These 2 vehicles are popular out bush in Australia is for several reasons. They are reliable, big, powerful, lots of storage, comfortable, tough suspension and are very capable off road.

You look at other 4wds and there is something that doesn't quite cut it out bush.
Hilux-not as tough as Cruiser and not powerful enough.
Modern dual cabs-indpendent front suspension and too flimsy.
Land Rover Defender- great cars but have you tried the front seats?
LR Discovery- not reliable enough to even make it to the bush.
F250- too big.
There will be people, of course, who love these cars if they own them. But until they've driven a GQ Patrol like mine then they don't know what they're missing!

Barnesy

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Follow Up By: PajeroTD - Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 07:25

Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 07:25
I was like some others and thought "best 4x4" meant the best. Not the best for taking the kids to school or to soccer. So, HMMWV is probably the best, and tanks, although not technically a 4x4, probably still a good off-roader. Mind you, if it really is about going off road, then you can't go past a PAL-V gyrocopter.
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Follow Up By: Redback - Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 07:44

Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 07:44
That the funniest reply so far hahahahahahahahaha

Baz.
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 08:51

Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 08:51
The Best 4wd is what ?

First what is the definition of best !

Best is and all encompassing term, not just best in a catergory like best fuel consumption.

To be best you need a strong chassis with long travel suspension all a round and to be able to churn all of those 4 wheels constantly (4 wheels lockable options).

This more or less cuts the field quickly to the GU and GQ patrols
along with 80 series and some 100 series cruisers.

The GU Patrol is the only currently made model with these features and options available.

You need the power and torque to pull through mud and up steep hills and sand drifts, and pass traffic effortlessly, some models of each of the above can do this but the GU 4800 is the most powerful by a good margin.

You need to be able to get 1000km range reasonably easy, the diesel versions of the above do this but so can the petrols with readily obtainable bigger fuel tanks.

As its a 4wd and meant to travel over uneven terrain, stability
is of fundamental performance, and on technical measurements the GU patrol with a 48 degree tilt angle and long wheelbase simply wins here.

You need to be able to easily and preferrably legally fit 33 in wheels. The models I mention can fit these but only some models of GU are legal as well.

You need a high reliability design, relative simplicity and unfussy -
again most, but not all of the 80's and GUs fit this requirement.
I prefer the lack of turbo complexity, high pressure pumps etc and like the unfussyness of petrol as a fuel.

Manual is good for the bush but only if your engine has wide and large torque band.

The car needs to be not to big and 80 series and GU are about as big as you want to go.

Low NVH figures are good for the long driving hours and sneaking up on wildlife so petrols are a winner here.

While your question tends to leave out cost as a basis, most of us need reasonable life cycle running costs.
With newer car this means that a low purchase price tends to win over things like fuel consumption.
Robin Miller

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Reply By: DIO - Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 10:13

Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 10:13
Military spec Unimog - if you can afford one.
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Follow Up By: OzTroopy - Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 23:31

Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 23:31
From memory, the mil spec (oz anyway) had some annoying problems, like not being able to tilt the cab without moving the alternator.
A standard one would perform quite well for personal ownership and are quite cheap in Europe.
Mind you that would require an overseas holiday first.

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Reply By: Stu-k - Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 20:33

Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 20:33
Site Link
This may also come in handy,
http://www.boq.com.au/
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Reply By: ss--ss - Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 20:55

Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 20:55
Should have known there would be a good response to this thread..
Ok say you had $35k & you could buy new or used, for outback adventures, also picking up the kids some around town & the occasional boat towing, occasional camper trailer towing. what would be best value..
I'm thinking a 2002/3 model landcruiser/patrol/pajero/prado ?
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 23:06

Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 23:06
Brand spanking new Kia Sorento turbodiesel. Stretch it another couple of thousand to a new spring/shocks and new tyres (ca $37K total)
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 23:08

Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 23:08
PS: would have been nice to know all of this additional stuff BEFORE you asked the ubiquitous "best" question....saves a lot of time for other people.
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Follow Up By: OzTroopy - Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 23:18

Thursday, Apr 03, 2008 at 23:18
2 choices depending on your kids ages:

1984 HJ47 Troopy with lots of prep work for trips
( not so good round town )
1997 - 2001 Jeep XJ Cherokee with prep work for trip
( good anywhere )

Both options should leave you with $10k-$15k spare cash for your trip.

Or you could buy a magazine with a free dvd in it and believe whatever they tell you.

Just a personal opinion to see what gets reeled in.
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