Tech help on brake pad type, hard or soft?

Submitted: Friday, Apr 04, 2008 at 13:28
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Hi all
Does any one know much about brake pad hardness?
Apparently there about 4 different hardnesses for both drum + disc version. What would suit what?
I recall getting brake fade years ago comming down a mountain and was told by the locals to get softer pads! Yet the local bloke recons harder better for hill use????
Also will softer versions wear away rapidly if bogged and you get fine clay inside the drum brakes?
Kind regards
GN
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Friday, Apr 04, 2008 at 14:11

Friday, Apr 04, 2008 at 14:11
My understanding is that the harder the pad the shorter the life of the disc or drum. Soft stops quicker but wear out quicker.
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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Friday, Apr 04, 2008 at 19:08

Friday, Apr 04, 2008 at 19:08
Thanks Kiwi
More stopping power sounds good to me.
GN
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Reply By: Robnicko - Friday, Apr 04, 2008 at 14:57

Friday, Apr 04, 2008 at 14:57
GN,

Organic pads - soft, easy on discs
sintered (mixture of organig and metal) firmer, not too bad on discs
metal - lasts forever but will eventually chew discs

then there are racing type pads which are horrible when cold but once they are heated up they seem to never fade.

Old brake fluid or brake fluid that has been boiled will also cause brake fade as is not working to it's full potential.
Also if your discs are work down to, or close to minimum thickness brake fade will happen earlier as the disc and pads heat up quicker.

Rob
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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Friday, Apr 04, 2008 at 15:09

Friday, Apr 04, 2008 at 15:09
Hi Rob
Thankyou for the information.
So i guess the middle of the road may be the best all rounder?
Regards
GN
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Follow Up By: Robnicko - Monday, Apr 07, 2008 at 08:40

Monday, Apr 07, 2008 at 08:40
GN,
Most standard type brake pads are the 'middle of the road' type. Seeing as though you have to stop a 60 seeries which is pretty much similar weight to an 80 series that I've got I can tell you tha I have found Bosch brake pads to work the best for me.
I have had them in for over 4 years now and they still have lots of life left.

Rob
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Reply By: Member - Bob V (QLD) - Friday, Apr 04, 2008 at 16:45

Friday, Apr 04, 2008 at 16:45
Kiwi Kia is correct, soft pads wear out quicker they are also easier on disc's and drums, I prefer soft pads because i would rather replace pads than discs, also you do not need as much pedal pressure to stop, I had an 89 patrol years ago and at 80,000ks they were only half worn out but you needed both feet on the pedal to stop in a hurry, I put soft pads on the front (non genuine as that was all you could get in a soft type) and it was a new truck. It was the same with ford falcons that I had with drivers on them at every 20,000ks I put new pads on them and did not have to machine the discs. A bit more costly for pads but very easy to replace, less down time and no disc machining
Bob V
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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Friday, Apr 04, 2008 at 19:07

Friday, Apr 04, 2008 at 19:07
Thanks Bob
Its on a 60 seris so a bit more stopping power would be good.
Regards GN
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Reply By: Member - Matt & Julie (VIC) - Friday, Apr 04, 2008 at 17:15

Friday, Apr 04, 2008 at 17:15
Hi
Maxistop long life al's non matalic are the way to go work very well hot or cold can be found australia wide
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Matt & Julie


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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Friday, Apr 04, 2008 at 22:58

Friday, Apr 04, 2008 at 22:58
Hi Matt + Julie
Looked at maxi stop site but could not find "al's" but they recommend for 4WD "AP" range but dont say how hard they are.
Is "AL" the type you are using?
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GN
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Reply By: John S (NSW) - Friday, Apr 04, 2008 at 21:04

Friday, Apr 04, 2008 at 21:04
Thought I would be smart years ago and put HD pads in my VL Turbo Commodore because its breaking was average - I also replaced the discs (all 4) at the same time with Group A discs.

Got 48,000km out of the discs - but the pads looked like new :)

Now I tend to buy medium hardness pads and slower cars.
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Reply By: bbuzz - Friday, Apr 04, 2008 at 21:10

Friday, Apr 04, 2008 at 21:10
All the above is true. I had an XE with metal pads at each change. Went for ages before replacing. Had an NF Fairlane and the discs lasted 80,000. The difference is in the metal used in the rotor. Older cars and trucks have hard metal rotors and the newer ones run soft metal and soft pads for "better" performance. If you are doing your own maintenance, run soft. But if possible, check out the metal composition of your rotor. My HJ60 has medium pads; hard to stop in a real hurry but getting long life. Have to be a bit more conservative when driving .. not a bad thing.
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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Friday, Apr 04, 2008 at 22:46

Friday, Apr 04, 2008 at 22:46
Thanks Bbuzz
I agree with the conservative but sometimes things happen.
So it sounds like iether soft or medium and NOT hard.
GN
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