Fuel Storage - CSR

Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 16:24
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I am off to do the CSR in late August/early September this year, there will be two vehicles, mine is a 1994 GQ Nissan Patrol Ute Diesel, with dual tanks of 95lts, the other vehicle is a 60 Series Toyota Land Crusier Station Wagon Diesel, with a single tank, both of us are experienced 4 wheel drivers, with not being able to recieve a resupply of fuel at Well 23, I have managed to borrow a 400lt fuel tank (plastic) with a 12v pump, this will run off the dual battery, my main worry is weight and whether I can cross any difficult sandhills with the additional weight, the GQ has heavy duty springs in conjunction with shockies, the tank will fit width ways on the tray of the GQ.
Any advice would be gratefully received.

Cheers
Mark
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 17:01

Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 17:01
Have the tank as far forward as possible on the tray (I'm sure you were going to do this anyway). Get your mate with the 60series to carry the water! 400litres is more than you'll need.

Don't think the weight will stop you getting over the dunes, but it will add to the likelihood of mechanical failure. Just take it easy, and let plenty of air out of your tyres. Are your rear springs coils or leaf?
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark L (WA) - Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 17:08

Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 17:08
Thanks Phil for your answer, springs on the GQ are leaf and heavy duty. I was going to drop tyre pressure to about 20 psi. Yes the tank would be as far forward as possible.

Cheers
Mark
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Follow Up By: Member - shane (SA) - Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 19:26

Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 19:26
hi Phill, your comment to put the tank as far as possible to the front, i would of thought over the back axle would be better. my reason for saying this is with 400 odd KG up forward would put a lot of extra stress right where the chassis flexes. just take a look at how many ute trays don't line up with the cabs. i maybe wrong but this is what i do with my ute and never had any probs.
cheers shane.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 21:46

Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 21:46
Gday Shane,

Good point! I reckon you're right about the chassis flex (might look like a Holden 1-tonner :-)) And Patrols are not known for the strength of their chassis, so it is an issue. But I'd expect there would be weight behind the tank with all the other stuff, so it might balance out a bit. Its interesting, because the dual cabs have the opposite problem - too much weight behind the rear axle and they open up.

The reasons I suggested it was:
Its easier to secure a 400kg tank if its right up the front of the tray. On a bumpy trip like the CSR, I'd hate to have the tank move in any direction.
And I always try to keep extra weight between the axles. The extra weight is then handled by both front and rear springs and the rear end doesn't sag.

Cheers
phil
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Reply By: KiwiAngler - Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 17:27

Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 17:27
Why would you drag all that weight?

Why not fuel up at well 33 (Kunawarritji) at the Aboriginal Community Store - order in advance and make sure your fuel has arrived (08) 9176 9040

What if? - you get bogged how will you remove the 400lts of fuel to assit getting 'un bogged'?

To me it looks an unnecessary thing to do if you can get fuel at well 33.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark L (WA) - Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 17:36

Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 17:36
KiwiAngler,
I would not neccessarily fill the tank to 400lts, on my vehicle the GQ it holds 190lts of fuel, I have worked in Aboriginal communities before and they are not the most reliable to deal with, my wife is aboriginal and she can testify to that. But sure Well 33 is an option, was reading today that there is a push to have bulk fuel at Well 33 with the unavailability of a fuel resupply at Well 23.

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Mark
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Follow Up By: Member - Footloose - Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 22:01

Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 22:01
Well 33 community is an OK place for fuel as long as you ring them first. No point in carrying more weight than necessary.
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Follow Up By: Dave & Shelley (NT) - Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 22:28

Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 22:28
Hi guys,

I am about to undertake the trip myself in June and July with a family group. My Uncle has had the enjoyable job of ensuring fuel is available. Thanks to this forum I became aware of the "no fuel" at well 23" which caused some gitters. Below is the e-mail my uncle sent back to me the other day

"Their situation is as follows:

They have ability to hold 60,000ltrs aside from generator. which is replaced on an as needs basis from Headland. He advises that we can rely on fuel being available at Kunawaritjini. They also have frozen food, including meat and some vegetables. camping is not a problem. No need to book ahead.

They are currently investigating a fuel dump of their own about 150Km south of them with someone on site to sell the fuel. This is being worked out at the moment. They are also in discussion with Cotton creek to see what they can do. he suggests I call him back in about a fortnight to see what final arrangements have been put in place. Also to ring before leaving Wiluna to confirm all ok.

He highlighted the lunch time Saturday cut-off. When I reminded him of the offer of an appointment time after, he was not as keen as he was last time saying, that could be possible if we are around maybe??

He said it looks like being busy as some have come through already and he has numbers of up to 180 coming through in the season so far.

He also mentioned a group just went through, going south, and could not get fuel at Billulina. But he is not sure if Billulina was a problem in that regard or maybe have not yet pre-positioned fuel for the tourist season due to the cost of fuel.

Cost of fuel at the moment is $2.80 but we should expect it to be $3.00 by then.

Hope this helps. I'll call him again in a couple of weeks to get the update."

I hope this information helps everyone out. As everyone has said, the key is to confirm a week out as I am not keen at being stranded at Kunawaritjini waiting for fuel.

Happy travels

Dave
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Reply By: Crackles - Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 17:42

Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 17:42
If you have your mates fuel obviously he'll need to carry the equivalent weight in water or gear for you.
Putting all your fuel in one container does come with risk should it crack so you'll need to be confident it's strong enough to take the pounding. Ideally water and fuel is carried in several smaller containers so if any one container leaks you don't lose the lot.
Filling all your tanks including the 400L would probably have you carrying far more than you need so calculate what you actually need including spare and only part fill it. As you use fuel each day it would also pay to put it straight in the car tanks to keep the load down low. Not sure if your tank is baffled either but the sloshing side to side may be an issue on the rougher tracks.
Cheers Craig......
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark L (WA) - Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 17:49

Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 17:49
Craig,
intended refilling the vehicles each day, the tank belongs to a mate of mine who owns his own Earth Moving business so it is very heavy duty, did not intend to fill the tank to the maximum, calculation on fuel use will have to be fairly accurate.


Cheers
Mark
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Reply By: Member - Sheepie (NSW) - Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 19:51

Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 19:51
Wouldn't that amount of fuel in one vehicle kindof go over the limits for carrying dangerous goods?

Even given my limited off-road experience, I don't think it would be a good idea to carry that much, especially inside the vehicle!
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Follow Up By: Stu & "Bob" - Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 21:50

Tuesday, Apr 08, 2008 at 21:50
Diesel fuel is classed as a "combustible liquid" NOT dangerous goods. (QLD)

The only exception is "Alpine diesel" or "winter diesel" which IS classed as a DG.
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