Pthfinder as a Tug

Submitted: Saturday, Apr 19, 2008 at 21:06
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I'm looking at a new Nissan Pathfinder as a Tug. I't specifications are a 2.5l intercooled turbo diesel with 405 nm/2000rpm and rated at 3000kg tow capacity.

This is for a 2.5l diesel with 9l/100km sound good but how true. I want to tow a 2.6tonne ATM Jayco Sterling 23.72.1 and wonder if anyone has some comments on choice of vehicle as it looks good on paper.

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Reply By: Best Off Road - Saturday, Apr 19, 2008 at 22:11

Saturday, Apr 19, 2008 at 22:11
You may consider the Petrol version. It is a very powerful vehicle and fitted with LPG will tow your van better and more economically than the diesel.

Proviso:

ASSUMING you have regular access to cheap LPG.

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Follow Up By: Gronk - Saturday, Apr 19, 2008 at 23:07

Saturday, Apr 19, 2008 at 23:07
I would like to see some figures to back that statement up Jim..
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Reply By: Member - eerfree(QLD) - Saturday, Apr 19, 2008 at 23:22

Saturday, Apr 19, 2008 at 23:22
Russell
Towing a van of that size will more than likely involve using a WDH and I think that Nissan have a few problems if you use the Factory towbar, just make sure you check the specifications.

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Follow Up By: Russell [SA] - Sunday, Apr 20, 2008 at 00:13

Sunday, Apr 20, 2008 at 00:13
Information from nissan does not recomend use of WDU but does not specifiy problems using it. I would read into that WDU is not required if ball weight is in accordance with adjusted vehicle GVM specification

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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Sunday, Apr 20, 2008 at 00:51

Sunday, Apr 20, 2008 at 00:51
There have been some occasions where the Nissan genuine tow bar has come adrift when using WDH. Nissan's response was to just say not to use one. I believe they have now modified the bar.

However, to be safe, install a Hayman Reese bar. There has been no problems with HR bars with WDH fitted.

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Reply By: Nomadic Navara - Sunday, Apr 20, 2008 at 01:01

Sunday, Apr 20, 2008 at 01:01
I have a friend that we travel with at times. He has the diesel Pathfinder and tows a 23' Future Systems van with it. He has towed with a 3.0 Patrol, 3.8 Patrol on gas and now the Pathfinder. He says the towing performance is a lot better than the 3.0 but not as good as the 3.8 - the stability is no worse than the Patrols. I tow a 2T loaded van with with a Navara (same mechanicals.) I find the performance more than adequate for my towing. I do not think you will be disappointedly in the Pathfinders performance.

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Follow Up By: westozal - Sunday, Apr 20, 2008 at 08:31

Sunday, Apr 20, 2008 at 08:31
Hello Peter,
Would that be the 4.8 ltr Patrol....never heard of a 3.8.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Sunday, Apr 20, 2008 at 13:12

Sunday, Apr 20, 2008 at 13:12
Hi Alan

You are right - 4.8. He did not keep it long, the gas installation played up. I have a photo of my Disco pulling him out of the way when the Patrol failed to proceed one morning. The agents down the NSW south coast did not know much about the bigger engine as it was too high tech for them, bushies steered clear of them because of that. They knew little about gas also.

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Reply By: Thermoguard Instruments - Sunday, Apr 20, 2008 at 14:04

Sunday, Apr 20, 2008 at 14:04
The 2.5Td Pathfinder seems to be a strong performer. Bit early to say what their longevity will be like with heavy towing. And don't expect anything like 9L/100km when towing 2.6T! (with any vehicle). Be happy if you average 13-15 while towing that mass.

While our 11yo, 'old-tech' LR 2.5 continues to do a good job with 2.2T behind, I think I'd prefer something bigger for 2.6T but the options are limited now Nissan have dropped the 4.2Td.

I believe Nissan recalled the original 'new' Pathfinder hitch receiver (aka "bolt test-to-destruction device"). If they still don't recommend weight distribution hitches with their new receiver design I suggest you get a genuine Hayman Reese receiver instead and use a 250kg WDH.

While modern CR diesels have impressive performance, please be aware it will be operating close to it's limits a lot of time with 2.6T in tow. Please consider fitting a EGT gauge/pyrometer (whether mine or another brand). The electronics are very clever these days but only while all the sensor inputs are completely correct (e.g. ZD30 air mass flow sensors).

As far as I know, no light vehicles yet have EGT as a feedback to the engine management system to 'de-rate' the engine if over loaded. (I don't know why, as it should be easy to integrate it into the EM system. But then again, when they all do I'll be out of business...)
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Follow Up By: Russell [SA] - Monday, Apr 21, 2008 at 19:42

Monday, Apr 21, 2008 at 19:42
"Have to be happy with 13-15 L/100", I'd be bloody delirious, currently 15 in city, 11 on freeway and 19 with old van (1680 ATM Poptop) and a cooler for the fuel guage with the new van.

I'd prefer something bigger bu there that little thing called a bank balance.

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Reply By: Motherhen - Sunday, Apr 20, 2008 at 16:00

Sunday, Apr 20, 2008 at 16:00
Russell.

I have no experience with the Pathfinder as a tow vehicle, but our 3 ltr td Patrol tows well. My only reservation is the weight of you caravan. Is 2.6 t the TARE, or the weight van after you have filled your water tanks, gas bottles, added spare tyres and packed to the maximum? You don't want to be right on the legal weight, and there may be times when for a longer trip you want to load up a bit more.

Also, what is the combined weight you can tow? After you have loaded up the caravan, tow vehicle, and included your own weight, it may be above the maximum.

What weight is the Pathfinder? Not a comfortable position to be in if laden caravan outweighs the tow vehicle. It may be OK in optimum conditions, but get into a skid in bad conditions and you could be in big strife.

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Follow Up By: Russell [SA] - Monday, Apr 21, 2008 at 21:00

Monday, Apr 21, 2008 at 21:00
ATM 2590
Tare 2115

From compliance plate, I only leave 20 litres in the front water tank, drain HWS and encourage SWMBO not to bring entire shoe collection.

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Tuesday, Apr 22, 2008 at 23:20
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