LPG 59.9 cents in Melbourne

Submitted: Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 at 20:07
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Why is this so?

Two months ago it was 70 cents. It has gradually gone down by 10 cents to hold at a steady 59.9 for the last month.

At the same time Diesel and ULP have crept up by 10 to 20 cents. It all comes out of the same refineries and is apparently influenced by the going rate for crude oil.

This may sound really dense, but if it is being refined from the same primary product how can LPG get cheaper whilst Diesel and ULP rise?

Someone is having a lend of someone else here.

Jim.

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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 at 20:16

Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 at 20:16
Summer coming in the Northern hemisphere??
Demand drops off??
Surplus needs to be disposed off??
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Reply By: Member - David P (VIC) - Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 at 20:26

Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 at 20:26
Normal. Northern summer approaching.....silverback
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Reply By: awill4x4 - Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 at 20:40

Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 at 20:40
Jim, here's a couple of good links regarding LPG pricing and the pricing trends over time.
The 1st one talks about our pricing in relation to the Saudi/Aramco price which dictates our LPG prices and the 2nd one shows how the wholesale price of LPG changes on a month to month basis.
Saudi Aramco
Monthly LPG pricing
Essentially the price rises as the Northern hemisphere enters its winter then eases as we enter ours.
Regards Andrew. (another LPG user)
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Follow Up By: awill4x4 - Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 at 20:46

Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 at 20:46
Sorry Jim, the 2nd link should be this one.
Monthly LPG pricing
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 07:26

Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 07:26
Thanks Andrew,

That was a good read.

Jim.



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Reply By: stefan P (Penrith NSW) - Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 at 22:13

Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 at 22:13
Its a reward for the fantastic write up you gave LPG the other week!!! :):):)

Cheers Stefan
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Reply By: Top End Explorer Tours - Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 at 22:40

Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 at 22:40
Hey Jim

DILLIGAF.

Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: Member - Fred G (NSW) - Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 18:20

Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 18:20
Steve, it seems that you do GAF so why respond in such a manner when totally unecessary...Ah Ha...a bit of professional animosity...we don't need to hear about it.

Fred.
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Follow Up By: Member - Barnesy - Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 18:26

Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 18:26
Fred allow me to enlighten you on the origin of this animosity. A couple of weeks ago Jim posted a stupid and antagonistic post regarding how crap he thought diesel was and how brilliant lpg was.

Anyway Steve disagreed with him....quite strongly (it was mutual). Jim seems to have lost the antagonism but Steve still seems to bear a grudge. I'm giving Steve a bit of leeway, but it is getting tired.

Barnesy
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 20:31

Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 20:31
Barnsey,

Calling my factual post about LPG "stupid and antoganistic" is quite unrealistic. I was just stating some facts for people to consider. Put colourfully to generate debate, yes, but stupid, well in your eyes perhaps.

You too, at the time got very emotional about it. Why, I don't understand, it's not as though I called your mother a slag. I just had an OPINION on differing fuels.

Yeah, I couldn't be bothered with Steve's ongoing bickering and I will no longer enter into debate with you either.

You're both on my list of people to ignore.

Good Bye and Best Wishes,

Jim.





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Follow Up By: Top End Explorer Tours - Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 20:55

Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 20:55
To be honest 99% of the info I give on this forum is experience and free.

I really couldn't give a rats what Jim doe's and there is certainly no animosity I was just having a go.

Others on this forum have a crack at people for no other reason than to do so, yet I have a crack, now I'm the not so nice guy.

Go and have a look at all the useful info I have given on this forum,
Over the last year, then have a look at all the Crap that gets put on here daily, My info far out weighs the bull bleep that others put up.

I'm a see it and say it type of person, Jim wants to flog his dead horse, I think its bull sh1t, If I didn't think other wise I would say so.

I disagreed with the way he spoke to people, and in light of the post above that came through as I type, I would say I am correct.

Jim I am proud to be put on your list.

Barnesy.

For the record to be fair, I was not the only one that disagreed strongly with Jim, I was one of a few.

Cheers Steve.




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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 21:07

Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 21:07
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Follow Up By: Member - Barnesy - Thursday, May 01, 2008 at 11:37

Thursday, May 01, 2008 at 11:37
>>"For the record to be fair, I was not the only one that disagreed strongly with Jim, I was one of a few". Yes Steve I also disagreed strongly with Jim. But I've dropped it and moved on to each post as it comes. I do like reading your good posts on the top end when they come. I'm waiting to see these pics of the 4wds bogged.

>>"Put colourfully to generate debate". Not to generate debate Jim but to start an argument. When the bait was taken you sooked and cried like a little child. Now we're on your list to be ignored? Do you have a list?

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Follow Up By: Top End Explorer Tours - Thursday, May 01, 2008 at 13:32

Thursday, May 01, 2008 at 13:32
Yeah I've moved on now as well, I wont be bothered upsetting Jim any more.

Any way those bog photos are on thread 57053 Watch this space, there are some good ones there.

Cheers Steve.
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Reply By: Dave McC - Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 at 22:52

Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 at 22:52
Interesting story on the 7.30 report tonight about how Australia's massive reserves of LPG are being exported cheaply, while we import significantly more crude oil of which is becoming progressively more expensive.

I don't think the the government will push LPG conversions too hard as there is still no excise tax LPG, not till 2011 anyway.

I like the idea of being of able to fill up at home with LPG, you just need a small compressor.

Natural gas: the future of fuel?
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Follow Up By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 at 23:32

Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 at 23:32
I'm not real sure of my facts here, but I thought LNG and LPG were very different products. Cars can be run on LNG, which is the type you might fill up on at home, but it is a quite different set up to the LPG conversion we use in Australia.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 at 23:38

Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 at 23:38
Out of curiosity, just did some Google searching. I gather that using natural gas in cars, the product is known as CNG for compressed natural gas. I get the impression that this technology is being used in New Zealand. Anyone have more details on this?
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Follow Up By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 at 23:43

Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 at 23:43
Re the 7.30 Report. Anyone remember the the very aggressive reaction from the Howard government when the WA government objected to the selling off of LNG on cheap long term contracts and tried to put a guaranteed percentage of gas aside for Australian use? About two years ago.
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Follow Up By: Member - Barnesy - Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 06:41

Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 06:41
Yes Mfewster I do remember that. Thanks Johnny. China gets very cheap gas from us guarunteed long term and we get cheap plasma wide screen tv's from them. I know what I would rather have.
Have you recently become a member?

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Follow Up By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 09:29

Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 09:29
Hiya Barnsey. Yes I am now a member. Ill get round to doing some photos and more profile details at some point.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 14:15

Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 14:15
CNG is being used by a number of bus companies here in Vic.
They take it straight from the gas line and have there own gas compression facilities on site.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 14:37

Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 14:37
CNG is also used on buses in Adelaide. I think some of the issues for private car use involve the size of the tank that has to be installed in the vehicle because as for a given size tank, the range is considerably less than for an LPG tank. It is therefore more suitable for big vehicles .
I still think I have heard that it is being used on private cars in New Zealand. Anyone know anything about this?
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Reply By: mowing - Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 at 23:06

Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 at 23:06
Jim. Can you imagine what the price of ULP and Diesel would be if the A$ was not so strong. Ouch!


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Reply By: Member - Ray Mc (WA) - Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 at 23:58

Tuesday, Apr 29, 2008 at 23:58
Unfortunately at Karratha it is 99c or a little more. Pity a little just can't be syphoned off as Karratha is pretty close to the source.
ULP $1.60
Diesel $1.80
These prices are average and also fluctuate. There again, life is good and the fishing is great.

Cheers
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Reply By: sjp - Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 05:49

Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 05:49
the middle east is the source of a lot of oil ,but i ,l bet my balls they arent paying $1.60 / ltr for their diesel,oz is the source of a lot of gas ,but we have to stick to world pricing and pay heaps for it -go figure
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris G (VIC) - Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 08:35

Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 08:35
Hi Jim
Sad to hear the price is fluctuating in Melbourne. Up in central Victoria LPG for home use is a steady $1.22 per litre delivered. Bet there are less Pollies shivering in Canberra than there are in the country. Perhaps we could get some cheap LPG from China. They seem to have an endless supply at 5cents per litre. Plus delivery of course, forgot that.Not having a go, just having an age old grizzle.
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Reply By: V64Runner - Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 13:44

Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 13:44
For what its worth, at this point in time this morning, the cheapest LPG in Perth from the fuel watch website is 59.6 ( has been like this for about a week ) and the most expensive is 62.9. ULP is currently 1.43 and diesel is 1.64. I`m just grateful for the fact that my vehicle runs on LPG and has a full tank of ULP.
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 21:44

Wednesday, Apr 30, 2008 at 21:44
Sssh, be very quiet.

You and I undesrstand it. Keep it a secret. It will keep the cost of LPG low.

Jim.
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Reply By: V64Runner - Friday, May 02, 2008 at 14:43

Friday, May 02, 2008 at 14:43
OOOOPS . Thats classified information I gave out. Just keep it between you and me.
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