Hilux suitability for towing
Submitted: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 at 13:30
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CRD-01
Hi all:
I am new to this
forum. I would like some feed back as to the suitability of a 3ltr diesel Hilux for towing a 17.'6' caravan. I have done some research and discovered that its torque specs are lower than the 2.5 Navara. Does it tow as
well? However they do develope their max torque at different rpm.
Reply By: Member - Roscoe ET (QLD) - Wednesday, May 07, 2008 at 13:46
Wednesday, May 07, 2008 at 13:46
CRD-1,
I don't know anything about the vehicle you are referring to but in my view the higher the torque the better for towing. If I can make a suggestion and if the person/dealer will allow you, I'd hook your van up and find a
hill to tow it up. That will tell you how good it is. Maybe you could consider determining the 3l diesels that you like and do a comparison?
I have 3ltr CRD Grand Cherokee which standard develops 510nm of torque and as a tow vehicle it is awesome.
The other thing you need to consider is the weight of the vehicle and the weight of the van as it's important that the vehicle is heavier and also that the vehicle is rated to tow the van.
Hope you find something you are satisfied with.
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Follow Up By: CRD-01 - Wednesday, May 07, 2008 at 14:34
Wednesday, May 07, 2008 at 14:34
Thanks Roscoe:
Weight to weight ratio is all correct. My only concern was the amount of torque or lack of it is what I really mean. I know what it's like to tow with 510nm. I also tow with a 3ltr CRD. It's in a 300C Chrysler. I was thinking of buying a Hilux purely to save the 300C to keep it nice and shinny.
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Follow Up By: Member - Glenn D (NSW) - Wednesday, May 07, 2008 at 14:43
Wednesday, May 07, 2008 at 14:43
Hows it going Roscoe ,
I just ordered a trailer to turn into a camper trailer , and am a novice at towing.
Does the tow vehicle have to be heavier than the trailed vehicle , just thinking prime mover towing road train thoughts.
Glenn.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roscoe ET (QLD) - Wednesday, May 07, 2008 at 14:55
Wednesday, May 07, 2008 at 14:55
Glenn,
Yes the tow vehicle should be heavier than what you are towing.
Comparing a situation between a prime mover and your situation would be like comparing apples and oranges I think.
There's a good section on this site about towing worth having a look at mate
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Follow Up By: Member - Roscoe ET (QLD) - Wednesday, May 07, 2008 at 14:57
Wednesday, May 07, 2008 at 14:57
Love those 300c's CRD-01, you're going to very disappointed after towing with 510nm!!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Glenn D (NSW) - Friday, May 09, 2008 at 03:29
Friday, May 09, 2008 at 03:29
Thanks , will have a look.
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Reply By: Wizard1 - Wednesday, May 07, 2008 at 14:08
Wednesday, May 07, 2008 at 14:08
Not exactly sure what you are after.
Do you intend to get a 3.0 Hilux and want to know how
well it might tow a 17 ft van?
OR...
You have a 3.0 Hilux and want to get a 17 ft van?
OR...
You already have both, in which case the whole issue is a little academic I suppose.
How much does the van wieigh?
Is the Hilux a newer CRD turbo or non turbo (older model)?
Some
well thought background info would help.
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Follow Up By: CRD-01 - Wednesday, May 07, 2008 at 14:48
Wednesday, May 07, 2008 at 14:48
Thanks Wizard1:
It does read a little obscure I guess. However, I'm not a total clot. I don't think. I intend to purchase a CRD Hilux. I assumed all 3ltr models were turbo. There you go, I must be silly. The van weighs roughly 1800kg. The van is a breeze to tow behind my 3ltr CRD Chrysler. However, not similar in power at all to the Hilux. I will be dropping heaps in torque.
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Follow Up By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Wednesday, May 07, 2008 at 18:23
Wednesday, May 07, 2008 at 18:23
Only the 3lt. in the current model are CRD, the older pre 2005 3lt's. are a different engine.
Regards Richard
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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Wednesday, May 07, 2008 at 20:02
Wednesday, May 07, 2008 at 20:02
Hi there CRD-01, all the new hilux's in diesel form are turbo. Cant buy non turbo in current shape. The shape prior was available in non turbo and turbo but as mentioned above the older T/D was classed as a 1kz the D4D is classed as 1KD. This was not in any of the current shape hilux's but was in the current shape prado.
Check out the specs heaps more torque in the D4D 343Nm @ 1400rpm the 1KZ 315Nm @ 2000rpm. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Thursday, May 08, 2008 at 01:20
Thursday, May 08, 2008 at 01:20
Also
check out the maximum permitted towing weight of the previous model - I suspect it is only about 1,800 kg - anyone out there know for sure?
PeterD
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Reply By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Wednesday, May 07, 2008 at 18:21
Wednesday, May 07, 2008 at 18:21
If you are talking about the Hilux with the 3lt common rail engine you will have no problems.
A few more kilowatts and a fraction less torque then the Nissan Patrols and alot of people tow larger vans with them no problems.
I would suggest the auto instead of the manual as the manual may suffer with lift off on hills due to the weak clutch.
We have a Hilux D4D manual with a DP Power Chip that weighs in at 2600Kg. and we tow a Trak Shak camper that weighs 1300Kg. and some times on very steep climbs or in sand the clutch gets a bit hot.
If you go the auto put a trans cooler in.
You will have more then ample power, think what people use to use 6 years ago when these high power CRD engines weren't around......they never had a problem.
Regards Richard
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Follow Up By: CRD-01 - Wednesday, May 07, 2008 at 18:29
Wednesday, May 07, 2008 at 18:29
Thanks Richard:
Yes it will be a CRD engine with auto trans. Thanks for your advice.
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Reply By: lakedge - Wednesday, May 07, 2008 at 22:08
Wednesday, May 07, 2008 at 22:08
Hi CRD,
As others have said, the new CRDs are all pretty good. Just an observation, the Hilux quotes 343Nm from 1400 to 3200 - haven't seen the curve plot, but am guessing the peak is probably a bit higher at some point. Navara is quoted around 400 at 2000 rpm - I guess the narrower band may be one reason for 6 speed manual? As others suggest, auto a big advantage.
Overlander test
Sorry, can't get the link to work...
We tend to drive the hilux for longevity - ie don't thrash it or lug it, and the beauty if its engine is that you still get max torque just off idle. It's a great vehicle.
John & Ingrid
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Follow Up By: CRD-01 - Thursday, May 08, 2008 at 11:52
Thursday, May 08, 2008 at 11:52
I take your comments on board and appreciate them. Thanks for going to the effort of trying to get the link also.
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Reply By: Wizard1 - Thursday, May 08, 2008 at 09:51
Thursday, May 08, 2008 at 09:51
Not everything should be based on power and torque with towing. You need to be accutely aware if your gross combined mass which is the van and the vehicle. Without knowing if the van weight you provided was tare or gross it is hard to say.
The Hilux only has a 2250 kg tow capacity. The more weight you carry in the vehicle the more that tow limit drops down. It doesn't take much nowadays to exceed your gross mass.
The Navara, however has a 3 tonne tow capacity.
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Follow Up By: CRD-01 - Thursday, May 08, 2008 at 12:00
Thursday, May 08, 2008 at 12:00
I have trouble with not basing every thing on power and torque. I guess too many American muscle cars over the years is still in the blood. I too am accutely aware of combined the mass, but tell my wife that.
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