Why do I need bead breaker?

Submitted: Friday, May 09, 2008 at 13:35
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Indeed, two spares wheels, all tubeless no spare tyre (without rim) and tubeless puncture repair kit. What I suppose to do with bead breaker? Just waste of money and extra weight. Or I am wrong?

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Reply By: Voxson - Friday, May 09, 2008 at 13:43

Friday, May 09, 2008 at 13:43
You are almost right,,,, there is an element of what if you tear both tyes badly and you wanna patch one and put a tube in.....
But most unlikely.....
Every year i find my recovery gear helping someone else out who is normally under prepared,,, all that extra space taken up with straps. shackles etc etc...
I could get away with ½ what i take and this year i will take ½...And put food in the extra space..
No disrespect for anyone we come across who is in trouble..... But you know what i am raving on about..
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Follow Up By: Member - Serg (VIC) - Friday, May 09, 2008 at 13:46

Friday, May 09, 2008 at 13:46
Firstly I need to tear badly 3 teres, not 2 to be in deep sh1t. But then how I can ”patch” seriously damaged tyre anyway?

Serg
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Friday, May 09, 2008 at 14:49

Friday, May 09, 2008 at 14:49
"..how I can ”patch” seriously damaged tyre anyway?"
Use thin wire to stitch up the hole in the sidewall. Glue a large sidewall patch over the damaged area then fit a tube. Obviously this is only a temp repair to get out of trouble at slow speed.
You are right Serg (Even though you're just repeating what others on this site have said recently before anyway;-) the chance of destroying 3 tyres over one section of a trip before getting to the next town is almost unheard of particually with the improvement in tyre technology & road conditions & even if you did need to to get the tyre off the rim, popping the bead using another car or simply using a jack will do the same job as a bead breaker be it a little slower.
Having your own bead breaker can make the process of fixing your punctures faster particually if you need to take the tyre off the rim to get dirt or mud out before re-seating it. Sometimes it may not just be a nail or stick in the sidewall which can be fixed with a plug, but could be a bent rim or mud around the bead which will require the tyre to come off.
All comes down to the tracks you intend to drive over & the likelihood of sustaining serious damage as to if one would be good value or just dead weight.
Cheers Craig...............

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (FNQ) - Friday, May 09, 2008 at 20:26

Friday, May 09, 2008 at 20:26
May I ask what did you use to type ½ like that.

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Follow Up By: Voxson - Saturday, May 10, 2008 at 00:51

Saturday, May 10, 2008 at 00:51
Hold down the "alt" key and type 9899
There are heaps of combo's
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Reply By: Member - bushfix - Friday, May 09, 2008 at 13:45

Friday, May 09, 2008 at 13:45
G'day Serg,

have you done a search to find just how/where/when these things may be used by people? Do they apply to your mode of travel in the bush? Is your tubeless puncture repair kit patches or just plugs?

come on mate, you/ve been here a while (KSV, if not mistaken) so you should have some sort of grasp as to how to answer you question.
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Follow Up By: Member - Serg (VIC) - Friday, May 09, 2008 at 13:53

Friday, May 09, 2008 at 13:53
I see what you saying and agree that bead breaker is “extra dimension” (as any piece of recovery gear or spare part or any tool for this merit). But seriously how much bad luck should I have to badly damage 3 tyres? There is always possible to make hypothetical situation when it would be impossible to survive without bead breaker (as without any other piece of recovery gear or spare part or any tool for this merit), but how about from practical POV?

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Follow Up By: Moose - Friday, May 09, 2008 at 16:10

Friday, May 09, 2008 at 16:10
Hey bushfix - surely you know that some people just like to see their name as often as possible on this site!
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Reply By: Kev & Darkie - Friday, May 09, 2008 at 13:54

Friday, May 09, 2008 at 13:54
Serg,

You can do with out a bead breaker but take tyre levers instead.

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Reply By: Willem - Friday, May 09, 2008 at 14:18

Friday, May 09, 2008 at 14:18
Serg


If you are in to serious bush travelling then you need a bead breaker to break the bead. Tyrepliers are not expensive and lightweight and easy to store.

But if yer only driving down to Geelong or Philip Island, then I wouldn't worry about buying one.

I staked two tubeless tyres one day on the same log. All good fun in the tropics just on dark with lots of mossies around. The Beadbreaker saved the day.



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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, May 09, 2008 at 14:21

Friday, May 09, 2008 at 14:21
You may want to read this thread from April 25th.
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Follow Up By: Member - Serg (VIC) - Friday, May 09, 2008 at 14:49

Friday, May 09, 2008 at 14:49
Thanks for link

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Reply By: Member - Serg (VIC) - Friday, May 09, 2008 at 15:09

Friday, May 09, 2008 at 15:09
Thanks to Phil G who give me link above I can close case.

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Follow Up By: Member - bushfix - Friday, May 09, 2008 at 18:22

Friday, May 09, 2008 at 18:22
laugh out loud.

searching saves serg posting....
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Follow Up By: Member - Serg (VIC) - Monday, May 12, 2008 at 09:52

Monday, May 12, 2008 at 09:52
Bushfix,

Let me tell you – in my strong humble opinion search on this site is simple sux. Yes, one can find if have enough tome on hand, but it is far easier to ask and someone offer link what (s)he been used recently.

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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Friday, May 09, 2008 at 15:56

Friday, May 09, 2008 at 15:56
I made one of those bead popping bottle jack adaptors as suggested by Phil - found it on the LCool site.
Seems the smartest thing I've seen for years - employs the existing bottle jack and weighs little..... that is smart.
I carry basic tyre gear (plugs, patches, glue and decent levers, plus that jack adaptor - also a ratchet strap for sealing the tyre back onto the rim) - I doubt I'll ever have to use it all, but I need the comfort of 'knowing' :-o).
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Reply By: Member - Hairs (Lawrence,NSW) - Friday, May 09, 2008 at 16:11

Friday, May 09, 2008 at 16:11
Hi Serg,
I've had one that fits into the Hayman Reece bar for a couple of years now. Never used it, but I know the time I pull it out i'll want it so it stays tucked away next to the bottle jack, tyre levers and 600mm of 3/4 gal water pipe to help lift the wheel on/off the studs.
I guess it comes down to the 6 P's.

Proper Preparation Prevents Pi#@ Poor Performance.
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Follow Up By: Member - Glenn D (NSW) - Saturday, May 10, 2008 at 20:29

Saturday, May 10, 2008 at 20:29
Only ever seen the 7 Ps

Prior Preparation & Planning Prevent Pi$$ Poor Performance.

Only means you are slightly less messed up than me , LOL

Glenn.
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Reply By: guzzi - Friday, May 09, 2008 at 17:02

Friday, May 09, 2008 at 17:02
Its all up to you really in regards to what you want to carry and what you think you'll need and where you're going.
Yes you'd be unlucky to trash 2 or more tyres on a trip, but you have better odds of doing that than winning lotto.
I have seen the plugs fail to seal due to tyre damage being beyond the capabilities of the plug system, the tyre kept splitting when the plug was inserted.
Is there anything more annoying that the "Why didnt I pack the (insert required item here) " feeling because you didnt think you'd need it and its sitting gathering dust at home.

Risk management, fun isn't it.
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Friday, May 09, 2008 at 22:22

Friday, May 09, 2008 at 22:22
I think anyone sticking to a track would actually have a better chance of winning tatts than wrecking 3 tyres beyond a tubeless repair. Never heard of anyone doing so, yet a dozen people a week pick the 6 numbers ;-)
Cheers Craig...............
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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Friday, May 09, 2008 at 18:54

Friday, May 09, 2008 at 18:54
I have used my bead breaker once when it was the best but not the only option.

I tore a valve stem. Put the R&R on the wheel push the bead out of the way, swap the valve stem with the spare in the repair kit and away we go.

All up it took about 10 min. I could have hung on a day and got it fixed at the shop but I had nothing to do for those 10min anyway and I enjoyed the feeling of independance.

I have also used it to patch a tyre for my sister on her Astra. She was visiting us in Broken Hill and we planned to go to Mutwingee the next day. About 8pm we notice a flat tyre. If we waited for the guys at the shop to open it would have been too late for our day out so I fixed it.

I have also used it to strip a bleep tered carcass off the wheel. I called that one a training exercise. It was not easy but kept a small crowd of onlookers and advisers entetained for a while.

Duncs
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Reply By: V8Diesel - Friday, May 09, 2008 at 19:07

Friday, May 09, 2008 at 19:07
Bush bashing around the Goldfields of WA I'd frequently get 3 or 4 flats a day. 10 was my record.

I carry my tyre pliers with me everywhere. Heven't used them in anger for years (stick to the tracks nowadays) but they are nice to have when you are out in the sticks.
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Reply By: Member - Duncan W (WA) - Friday, May 09, 2008 at 21:24

Friday, May 09, 2008 at 21:24
I have the R&R Bead breakers because I've got alloy wheels and I find the gentle approach of the bead breaker a better option than just the tyre iron or tyre leaver option. Only used it in practice mode at home never had to use it in anger.
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Reply By: putrol - Saturday, May 10, 2008 at 20:27

Saturday, May 10, 2008 at 20:27
for around the same dollars as a tyre & rim you can buy a tyrepliers kit $365 with enough gear to repair 15+ punctures & at 6.5kg its alot lighter than another 40-50kg spare wheel that can only be used once! until you repair it anyway
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Reply By: obee - Saturday, May 10, 2008 at 22:07

Saturday, May 10, 2008 at 22:07
I use a couple of bits of angle iron sawn off a bit of scrap. They cost nothing but you need a hammer to tap them in between the rim and the tyre. You just work your way around the tyre until it comes away.

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Reply By: Robin Miller - Monday, May 12, 2008 at 09:58

Monday, May 12, 2008 at 09:58
You have it wrong Serg.

By taking a bead breaker and other appropriate bits I don't need to take a second spare - and thats where the real money and weight is.


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