Which 4X4 Dualcab?

Submitted: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 14:09
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Hi everyone, this is my first post on your sensatioinal website! Sorry for the long post but I'm full of questions.

I'm looking at getting a turbo diesel dualcab in a few months time and hoped you guys could help.

Firstly, is there much noticeable difference between the a 99' 2.8 TD rodeo compared to the 2002' 3.0 TD?
Is it worth the extra cash to get the 3.0TD?

Secondly, what are the 99' 2.5TD Courier and Bravos like compared to the 2.8TD rodeo?

I'm also keen to get a 95 Hilux Surf 3.0TD in the manual (I know its not a dualcab). How does the Toyota 3.0TD motor compare to the 2.8TD rodeo in power and fuel economy? At this stage the 3.0TD Hilux dualcab is too expensive, but the surf is within price range.

At this stage I'm leaning towards the 99' Rodeo in 2.8TD manual. Are there any common problems with this model?
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (FNQ) - Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 14:20

Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 14:20
My Daughter has a V6 petrol Triton, very nice to drive and the warranty is excellant too, Now the diesel is on the market I would give it a very good long hard look, The Rodeo is good to but on the way out soon for a replacement model.

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Reply By: Gingerbeer - Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 16:37

Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 16:37
Yeh I'm trying to keep it under $15,000, so the Rodeo and the Surf are a good cheap option at this stage.

The Bravo and Courier are cheap too, but I'm not sure about the 2.5L TD engine compared to the 2.8 TD Rodeo engine.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark H (VIC) - Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 17:38

Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 17:38
I use to read the old magazines and I remember the Rodeo having good low speed torque while the Bravo/Courier had more power up higher and was nicer to drive. The 2.8 Rodeo wasn't intercooled and this made a big difference. Safari use to make them for the Rodeo. 2.5 Bravo/Courier already intercooled so there's not much more you can do with them.

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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 21:56

Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 21:56
I did take a 2.8 rodeo for a test drive before getting prado, Firstly I couldnt find one at the time with low klms or that wasnt trashed. 2nd I found them to be quit high in the rev range about 3300/3400 at 110k and a bit noisy (but a good stereo would fix that lol) But in saying that if one had been available at the time I would have had one. These few things wouldnt have detered me from buying one. From what Ive heard/read as long as the injectors are done at 150k the motor is extremely reliable. The only other thing is the rear chassis bending but this is from what I have read mainly from overloading them in the rearend, not sure what model this affects. Regards Steve M
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Reply By: F4Phantom - Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 17:44

Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 17:44
I would veer away from the rodeo, there are lots of people who have had good runs from them but I class those as outliers. The toyota would be a more reliable choice and I think the ford/mazda is ugly but reliable. I would say a good car to consider which is in my view superior to all of these is the terrano2 2.7L TDI TI. its cheap, 7 seats, powerful, mid sized, reliable, and economical. The navara with this engine is also superior. Problem is everyone's experiances are different.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 22:06

Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 22:06
I have Terrano 2 2.7TDI, has done 385,000 kms & still going strong.
Tows a Track Eagle camper trailer everywhere too ..... but at the end of the day, it isn't a dual cab ute!
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Follow Up By: F4Phantom - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 10:50

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 10:50
he said he is looking at a surf
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 17:50

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 17:50
ha ha ... well spotted, I mainly read the title & glossed over the rest.
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Reply By: Stephen M (NSW) - Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 21:47

Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 21:47
The surfs come with all the goodies for the price BUT dont like Australian conditions (heat). I have read a few articles here and there and they require some mods to keep them running within the temp range, firstly a new and bigger radiator. If you have a look at the radiator in the surfs they are alot narrower then say in our four runners just to start. No I have never owned one so what Im saying is only what I have read so no one shoot me if I'm incorrect. One thing my mate did tell me who worked for the NRMA inspections for a few years (they no longer do it) is that he come accross a lot with rust big time. Bottom of the sill panels,doors,rear tailgate, this would obviously be from the salt they use on the roads over there. I personally wouldnt buy one but not my choice. I personally dont think you would have any issues with the other vehicles you have mentioned. My mate is selling his rodeo dual cab T/D but a bit earlier model but with low klms. I have thought about it a few times in the last week myself but wife will kill me if I sell another one although 8/9Litres per 100 is bloody good around town compared to 16/17 in the prado LOL. Unfortunately as you have said you wont get a genuine Toyota Hilux T/D for 15k unless it has huge klms, but have you checked out the auctions ?? Might get lucky but you need to know what your looking at or you could end up with a lemon (smashed,dunked etc). Best of luck with you choice. Regards Steve M
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Reply By: Kumunara (NT) - Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 22:03

Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 22:03
Gingerbeer


We have all different needs when it comes to vehicles and different body sizes that make one seat comfortable and another not.

I have driven Rodeos due to my previous occupation in SA. In 2004 the Rodeo we had was replaced with a new one. I found the seats extremely uncomfortable and within a few months I suffered a large amount of back pain.

Test drive as many 4WDs as you can and if you don't find the seating comfortable don't purchase it.

The Rodeo has a very soft front end and very poor handling. All four wheel drives tend to have a tendency to roll over and handling is very important for your own safety. The hi-lux has a reputation which has earnt it the nick name hi-roller. As there are a lot of them on the road is this due to the vehicle or driver error?

I have spoken to a lot of Triton drivers who like the vehicle. I cannot comment as I have never driven one. Take one for a test drive.

I tried to take a Navara for a test drive. I decided that it wasn't worth decapitating myself to fit in the vehicle. The head room in the Courier/Ranger/Bravo is not much better.



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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 19:54

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 19:54
How tall are you?

I'm a Collingwood six footer and could get into my Courier in a Top Hat.

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Follow Up By: Kumunara (NT) - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 20:17

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 20:17
Jim



I am 190 cms but a bit of a different build.

I have short legs and arms for my height and a long large torso.

That is why I weigh in at about 130 kg and have difficulty fitting in a lot of vehicles.

I have to take the headrest off some seats because they poke into my shoulders.


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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 20:44

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 20:44
I understand, you're one big bloke.

Hey, great Barra in your rig pic. Bit of a baby compared to what I used to catch when I lived in Townsville....wank wank wank.

Great fish, never had the pleasure of landing a ripper like that. Good eating at that size no doubt, or do you catch so many that you release them?

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Follow Up By: Kumunara (NT) - Friday, May 16, 2008 at 20:39

Friday, May 16, 2008 at 20:39
Jim


The fish in the picture was 82 cms. That is small compared to a lot caught up here.

Unfortunately I am not much of a fisherman and only catch fish that are commiting suicide.

I take the better half with me and that way get enough for a feed.




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Reply By: Member - AJB (VIC) - Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 22:43

Wednesday, May 14, 2008 at 22:43
Cant comment on 99 Rodeo but had a 92 dual cab 2.8 TD, actually traded it in 99! Anyway I would describe it as almost bulletproof! We took it around Australia and it performed faultlessly. Worked it extremely hard in the NW of WA and it kept coming back for more. I had a few oil leaks, replaced the clutch at 180,000 kms, replaced a rear wheel bearing, put some new shockers and better rear leaf springs and apart from usual servicing, that was it. Fuel usage was about 10kms per litre from day one until I traded it. It did about 250,000 when I got rid of it but would have done another 250,000 I reckon. It did 60,000 while living on the edge of the Great Sandy Desert running up and down the Tanami road and around the top of the Canning etc! Then it did another 70,000 around Fitzroy and Derby and up and down the Gibb River Road and minesites etc. Looking through photo albums we see it and get kind of glassy eyed! Simple reliable engine. No high tech stuff. Modest power but at the time, early 90's, it was the leader in the power stakes in its class.
They were a great vehicle and better than the 4WD I have now. Someone will say otherwise and have a horror story. I serviced it fastidiously, as I do with all my cars, bikes etc, so that may have been the key. It didn't work with the GU though!
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Reply By: Gingerbeer - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 13:05

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 13:05
Cheers for the feedback guys. A couple of questions to go:

I totaly aggree with how ugly the Courier/Bravo are, but what is the Power & Torque differences compared to the rodeo? And do they have similar fuel consumption? I'm talking about the 2.5TD Vs the 2.8TD.

And who makes the Torrano?
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Follow Up By: Gingerbeer - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 13:26

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 13:26
Looks like you cant edit posts on this site. Bummer.

What needs to be done to the Rodeo's injectors after 150K kms?

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Follow Up By: Member - AJB (VIC) - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 20:38

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 20:38
I think the rodeo was 74kw and the nm torque was 225 or there abouts. Drove the Mazda in about 98 and it went well. Probably a bit quicker off the mark than the Rodeo. The KW and NM figures would be pretty close but I dont know at what RPM for each. When comparing KW and NM you kind of have to look at the entire package. Like how many KW and what RPM and the same with NM and then the space in RPM between max torque and max power, RPM at 100kmh and how that relates to peak NM and KW, which leads to gearing etc etc etc.

Either way they are relatively small capacity diesel engines so don't expect too much in performance. As for injector servicing for my old Rodeo, my answer is HUH. Never got that fastidious but made sure of clean fuel and especially replaced fuel filters every 5000kms. They are easy to do and get at on the rodeo. The oil filter on my model was a little more difficult but I think that was altered in later models.
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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 20:53

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 20:53
Hi there Gingerbeer, it was me that posted about the injectors. Its only what I have read that they need to be pulled out checked and calibrated if need be then put back in. Apparantly they start to squirt in a straight line instaed of a mist spray and will damage the piston resulting in motor damage. Now remember this is only what I have read as I have never owned one. For what it would cost to be done it would be cheap warranty against getting cought out its not that dear. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: Member - AJB (VIC) - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 20:56

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 20:56
And what Jim says below is good advise. Petrol power with LPG cost saving. Another fella I worked with had the 2.6 Rodeo on gas and although there were many who said it wouldn't last, it kept going forever! I think he only got rid of it 2 years ago and he never had an issue with it. Perhaps he was lucky but he certainly wasn't as fastidious as me with vehicles. Worked it just as hard as I worked mine.
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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 21:04

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 21:04
Totally agree with you AJB in regards to the 2.6 petrol. My mate from work sold his last year with 470k on it yes was starting to get a bit ratly in the engine but was still going strong. He was very slack with servicing compared to myself and use to rib me about the oil changes and filters etc and he probably did them once to my four. Seem to be a great motor and quit torquey too bit heavy on the fuel but as you said gas is the other option and will give better range where gas is available. Regards Steve M
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Reply By: Best Off Road - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 19:58

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 19:58
Are you dead set on a diesel?

Depending on where you are, and the availability and cost of LPG, you'd do well with a Petrol and fit LPG.

Heaps more power and lower running costs.

Disclaimer: LPG is not available in some remote locations and may not be so cost effective in the boonies.

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Follow Up By: Gingerbeer - Friday, May 16, 2008 at 12:03

Friday, May 16, 2008 at 12:03
I were originally keen on the 4runner 3L petrol. Mainly because you can mount the cylinder under the chassis and then put your spare on a tailgate.

I worked out that LPG was cheaper but would lack the grunt and torque of the toyota 3.0TD (hence my interest in the turbo diesel surf)
I've now pointed towards the Rodeo because its good on fuel and lighter weight than the surf.

I assumed: (Petrol=$1.50/L) (Diesel=$1.75/L) (LPG=$0.80/L)
-3L petrol 4runner = 14.5L/100km = $21.75/100km
-3L LGP 4runner = 18.9L/100km (30% more fuel cons.) = $15.08/100km
-3L Surf turbo diesel = 12L/100km = $21/100km
-2.8L Rodeo Dualcab = 9L/100km = $15.75/100km

Hence the Rodeo should be just as cheap (not including service costs)
Plus I'd prefer a dualcab oiler.

I'd assume the Turbo Diesel Bravo/Courier would have similar fuel consumption?
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Reply By: Member - Mark H (VIC) - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 23:07

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 23:07
Rodeo power & torque as above. Bravo/Courier 2.5 was 86KW and 280NM.

Cheers,

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Reply By: Gingerbeer - Friday, May 16, 2008 at 12:17

Friday, May 16, 2008 at 12:17
To be honest, the only reason I want the dualcab is to put my KTM450 in the back.

In saying this, the bike only fits if the tailgate is down and its a ba$tard to get in and out. So I'm keeping my options open as its easier to put my bike in a trailer.

The dualcab option looks good for fishing, camping, shooting, getting stumps ect. but doesnt have the security unless you have a lockable tray cover.

So its probably going to come down to vehicle cost, availability at the time, and fuel cost.

I'm trying to keep it under $15,000.
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Reply By: Trevor R (QLD) - Saturday, May 17, 2008 at 17:43

Saturday, May 17, 2008 at 17:43
ginge,

the 3.0lt Rodeo is only a bored out version of the 2.8 so don't expect too much from the 3lt over and above the 2.8 economy wise or reliability wise.

Cheers and good luck with the decision.
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