Buying a 100 s Landcruiser

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I'm about to go around Australia with my 3 kids and oh yeah wife. I'm looking at a 100 Series Land cruiser as it has such a large back seat, to fit 3 kids.

What should I buy, a diesel or a petrol ?

With diesel being $1.70 per litre and petrol being $1.50 per litre, on a 20,000km trip that's only about $3000 difference in fuel, but a diesel costs about $10,000 more.

Is there something more I should know ?

What would you buy ?

I intend to tow a camper trailer. !
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Reply By: Kev & Darkie - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 15:31

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 15:31
I bought a diesel, poverty pack Landcruiser and love it. It isn't the fastest on the road but it has plenty of grunt to tow with.

I upgraded from a V6 Triton dual cab and will not go back.

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Follow Up By: Big Marty - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 15:58

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 15:58
Thanks for the reply.

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Follow Up By: Big Marty - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 16:37

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 16:37
Kev, I just noticed that half of your landcruiser is missing !
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Follow Up By: Kev & Darkie - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 16:49

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 16:49
It's not missing it is just improved LOL

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Follow Up By: stefan P (Penrith NSW) - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 19:24

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 19:24
preventative rust repair, chop it off before it rusts out hey Kev!!!

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Follow Up By: sjp - Friday, May 16, 2008 at 08:01

Friday, May 16, 2008 at 08:01
i did the opposite ,traded the slug 100series on a DID triton and i wont go back either,get the turbo diesel100series ,the cars too heavy for the n/a motor
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Reply By: ben_gv3 - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 15:39

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 15:39
You can't just look at the cost of fuel. You need to look at fuel consumption as well.

I suspect as you will be heavily loaded your petrol bill will be huge whereas the diesel bill will be pretty much constant. You could run petrol/gas but there is the issue of finding LPG out in the sticks, although it depends on where you are touring, plus you'll need to relocate the spare tyre ($$$).

You need to weigh up the extra cost of diesel/litre + purchase price as oppossed to increased consumption of petrol when towing.

In addition diesel is a lot safer then petrol (kaboom hazard). That alone is worth a premium.

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Follow Up By: Big Marty - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 15:58

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 15:58
Thanks for your reply.

What is the Kaboom factor, arn't the petrol vehicles safe ? where is the hazard in petrol ?
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Follow Up By: ben_gv3 - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 16:22

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 16:22
Petrol is inherently less safe then diesel. It is easier to ignite petrol, think lit match compared to blow torch.

Although one might question how relevant that is WRT travel and having a fuel leak. However if I had to carry jerry cans, I would rather them filled with diesel then petrol for safety sake.
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Follow Up By: Moose - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 16:28

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 16:28
Kaboom factor - what a load of $hit! Ignore him Marty. I've had a petrol 80 series for yonks and hasn't exploded yet. Nor have all the other millions of pertol Cruisers and cars that have been produced (ignoring accidents etc of course which can also lead to a diesel vehicle getting cooked).
Normal outback driving with a roof rack the 80 uses about 17/18 litres per 100km. The previous diesel 80 I had used about 13/14. When towing they both use more but the petrol is certainly worse. With the camper on I'm probably using about 25% more than without. The 100 will be similar.
A lot depends on the terrain - hilly, soft sandy and slow offroad are the petrol's bane. On the open highway at a sensible speed it's not that bad. $10K buys a lot of petrol. If you intend to resell upon return I doubt resale is an issue.
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Follow Up By: Big Marty - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 16:32

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 16:32
Okay, If petrol will blow up, does anyone actually know of a case where this has happend ?

I saw an episode of "Myth Busters" where they shot a fuel tank several times with a rifle and couldn't get it to blow up.

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Follow Up By: Big Marty - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 16:35

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 16:35
What's the story with petrol 4wd's and water crossing, I've read petrol vehicles are more likely to choke, but diesels can blow a head if they get water in them, what's true here ?

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Follow Up By: Member - Borgy.. (SA) - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 16:59

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 16:59
"Okay, If petrol will blow up, does anyone actually know of a case where this has happend ?"

C'mon Marty ...dont you watch any american TV shows??....lol


"What's the story with petrol 4wd's and water crossing, I've read petrol vehicles are more likely to choke, but diesels can blow a head if they get water in them, what's true here ?"

Water in any motor can cause damage....

Cheers......Dave


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Follow Up By: Ken - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 18:36

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 18:36
Fellas, I don't think Ben was implying the whole vehicle was unsafe or likle yto blow up because it was petrol fuelled ! He meant handling the fuel itself in which case he is spot on; petrol is much more likely to ignite then diesel, particularly in the northern regions when humidity is much lower then down south. Static electricty and stray naked flames such as pilot lights and campfires are well known to have triggered trip ending fires when refuelling.

As for the water in the motor many think this is only a risk for diesels due to their higher compression. Not So. As Borgy says water is bad for any engines as it can't be compressed, not even a little bit. What generally saves petrol motors is the water causes a loss of ignition voltage and the motor naturally stops before water gets into the cylinders. As a diesel has no electric igniton it keeps plugging on until the water enters and whammo 'she no compress'.

The other bit of the story not often spoken of is what happens when you get your petrol engined vehicle out of the water. You need to make sure water hasn't entered the cylinders whilst waiting for the recovery. Just drying the electrics and firing it up could have an unpleasant outcome.

PS I'd go with the diesel 100 series if you can find one.

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Follow Up By: GerryP - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 20:14

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 20:14
Agree with Ken above, however, at say 10:1 compression in a petrol, there is more of a chance it will stall without physical damage, whereas a diesel running say 22:1 the chance of breaking a rod or blowing the head is far greater. Ive had both a GQ Patrol petrol/gas and a 100 series diesel - I would pick diesel anytime.
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Reply By: Kiwi & "Mahindra" - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 15:42

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 15:42
look at fuel economy.......you will more than likely get more km out of a diesel than a petrol tank......im not sure what the economy is like between them but from experience unless its a v8 petrol then its gunna chew it.....but i could be wrong....I used to work in a servo and the big cruisers and patrols that always came in were always complaining about economy on ulp......diesel...they were content....

Id buy diesel purely for this reason....we had an 80 series on petrol / lpg and it chewed it big time....I know its a totally different car and hard to compare but our navara is cheaper to run!

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Follow Up By: Big Marty - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 15:59

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 15:59
Thanks for the info,

Cheers Big Marty
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Reply By: brushmarx - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 16:07

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 16:07
The deisel may cost $10 000 more to buy, but resale will be higher when you decide to upgrade from a Toyota later on.
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Follow Up By: Big Marty - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 16:17

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 16:17
So you don't like toyota then ?
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Reply By: chisel - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 16:18

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 16:18
I recently did the research on a TD vs V8 petrol and came to the conclusion that the TD would cost more over 5 years but not by too much.
I decided to get one anyway as they do have some other advantages - range on a single tank being the obvious one. Plus I thought I'd just "feel better" about owning the diesel and using less fuel.
There are not many TD's out there though so good luck finding a suitable one.
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Follow Up By: Big Marty - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 16:24

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 16:24
Thanks for the follow up. Marty
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 17:52

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 17:52
Well I bought a 2005 TD with 58K on it cost me $57k and I couldnt be happier.

My van weighs 2.7tonne and at 100kph I get 5.9kper litre. Or just about 16l per100km.
That was on a trip where I was being naughty with the speed limit due to lateness as well.

Have just put a DTronic chip in it and am going vanning tomorrow so will see if there is any improvement.

Unfortunately they seem to be dearer now that 12 months ago.

Look at the ex govt sales If you can get a good one there may be worthwhile.

The V8 will use more towing than the TD but costs a lot less to buy and gets a lot less on trade in as well.

Was talking to a guy last week who has a low mileage V8 and was going to trade on a new Hilux and was offered $28,000 for it. He wont be upgrading I dont think.

Also spoke to a 200 owner who was crying at the cost of fitting electrical accessories to it and was wishing he could buy his 100series back. He was dead serious as well.
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Follow Up By: TD100 - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 20:44

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 20:44
Graham,

do your exhaust as well,i have all the above and it is a different vehicle.installing the d-tronic made a difference from first start,idled smoother,ran better,economy the same.exhaust will change where it spools up,much lower than with standard.and i wouldnt have anything else but my td either!!cheers Paul
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Reply By: Bushtrek - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 20:30

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 20:30
Apart from all the info in these replies, your quoted prices are essentially capital city numbers. Wait till you have to buy fuel at somewhere away from the capital city and see what the petrol price vs diesel is.

Check country price differentials and I think you will choose diesel!
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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 20:38

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 20:38
Hi there Bushtrek "Check country price differentials and I think you will choose diesel!" check my reply below. Regards Steve M
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Reply By: Stephen M (NSW) - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 20:34

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 20:34
Any petrol will use more then a diesel. Yes dearer to buy in the first place but as said above resale will be the same. Yes diesel is dearer at the pump but will go alot further klm wise. I just spoke to a bloke last night that I have become friends with over the years and he is organizing a trip to the Alice (tour guide tag along). He was telling me about organizing fuel etc and has 10 vehicles going. He is allowing 20L per 100k for the 6 cylinder T/diesels, 15L for the T/diesel prado's and 30L per 100 for 2 of the 100 series petrols which will be towing campers. One of the blokes which owns one of the 100 series has upgraded the fuel tanks and will be carying another 5 jerry cans on his camper trailer. My mate is also making them take off the cat convertors to reduce the chance of a flare up from spinifix (spelling). He is also making all the petrol ones carry one of those 5 litre garden spray pumps with water in addition to the fire extinguisher. Yes ilegal removing the cat/convert but said this is the main cause of alot of fires. He just got the fax back from where the fuel will be supplied and diesel will be $2.78 a litre petrol will be $3.85. That is at the current price he said this will probably rise by july. I think this is what alot of above was referring to when it comes to fires. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: Stu & "Bob" - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 20:59

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 20:59
I don't know how true it is, but I have heard that some tour operators won't take petrol cars along on tag along tours for that reason (fires)
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Follow Up By: stefan P (Penrith NSW) - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 21:02

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 21:02
$2.78???? WTF??? $357 for a tank of Diesel in a Patrol....

Glad I got the bike now!!

But at $3.85 for petrol even the bike would cost $30 to fill....

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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 21:08

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 21:08
Yep would cost me $612.15c to fill both tanks in my prado. OUCH. Wife reckons it would be cheaper to fly. Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: Stu & "Bob" - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 21:12

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 21:12
$750 odd to fill mine (diesel)
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Follow Up By: Stephen M (NSW) - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 21:16

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 21:16
Said the distance between fuel stops is 987klm's all going good. Regards Steve M
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Reply By: Gazal Champion - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 20:36

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 20:36
Hi Big Marty,

I have an 80 series LC on dual fuel and so I can run on what ever is available at the time. I was reading some threads last night on the forum about fuel prices and even out the back of beyond, if gas was available, gas was half the price of ULP ond more than half the price of diesel. Close to 2 fifths.

Dual fuel vehicles cost less even in the dealers yards and if you get one with the spare tyre carrier already fitted you have all bases covered and you will have plenty left over for the holiday, There are several available, Ive been looking for comparison reasons.

Try looking on that carsales.com.au site and you will find plenty in Victoria. They go in for them in a big way down there apparently.

Thems my thoughts on the matter.
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 20:58

Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 20:58
Be very careful advocating the benefits of LPG on this forum Bruce.

Every clown and his dog will come along and discredit you with emotive, but factually unsubstantiated comments.

Some of the contributors here are more faithful to Diesel fuel than their dear old Mum. Buggered if I understand. Fuel to me is a commodity, I pay for it, I use it. I'll use the one that is most cost effective.

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Follow Up By: nickb - Saturday, May 17, 2008 at 14:51

Saturday, May 17, 2008 at 14:51
"...and even out the back of beyond, if gas was available, gas was half the price of ULP ond more than half the price of diesel. Close to 2 fifths."

I crossed the Nullabor in February, ULP 181.9, LPG 120.9 at Nullabor roadhouse.(I've since found out it is the most expensive fuel on the Nullabor...) Not sure how much diesel was. And the rate my patrol uses LPG, the cost running or LPG or ULP was not much different. Around town LPG is definately worth it for me, not in the bush though.
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Reply By: Kumunara (NT) - Friday, May 16, 2008 at 07:41

Friday, May 16, 2008 at 07:41
Big Marty



Despite the extra cost a diesel is a far better proposition if you are towing.

What experience do you have in a 4X4. If you have none or little consider doing a 4X4 course before you do your trip.

You will also find that in a lot of places fuel costs are a lot more than the costs you quoted.



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Follow Up By: Gazal Champion - Friday, May 16, 2008 at 18:55

Friday, May 16, 2008 at 18:55
Hi Kumunara,
Your dead right on both counts. But i wont be going where the prices are that high thankfully.

On the pulling power front I was towing our 2 tonner up the range north of Aberdeen NSW heading for Tamworth when i spotted an F250 and a large caravan coming up behind me. I was slowly running out of revs at around 2100 rpm and had a deep seated reluctance to going back to 1st.

Next thing I know is this outfit is alongside and starting to leave me for dead. I thought "Iv'e got to get a diesel".

To add insult to injury she was a big tri axle unit and looked as though she was on the delivery run to her new owner.

We own several diesel vehicles which includes trucks, tractors and dozers so I am not without some knowledge in this area.

However when we were in Adelaide last Nov I was comparing notes with other caravaners and the fuel consumption figures they gave me for their diesels proved that had I been running a diesel on that that trip it would have cost me an extra $250 for fuel.

There are lots of benifits with diesels but occassionally petrol has its place. This may be one of them

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Reply By: Von Helga - Friday, May 16, 2008 at 09:01

Friday, May 16, 2008 at 09:01
Here is one example of the safety aspect of petrol over deisel.
I'll admit it is not related directly to the vehicle however, In 2003 I travelled to Cape York and when we arrived at Gunshot Creek we were told of the family that had thier whole world destroyed the day before. The story goes that they had been camped there for a couple of days when they were refueling from petrol jerry cans in prep for moving on when the jerry can they were using exploded after being sparked from the pilot light of the 3 way fridge that had been running in their camp.
Apparently the fridge was some distance from the vehicle but there you go.
I believe there were deaths with rescue choppers called in the extract poeple etc etc
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Reply By: Tahiti Blue - Friday, May 16, 2008 at 11:09

Friday, May 16, 2008 at 11:09
Big Marty,

My wife and I, have a really nice 11/2000 GXL dual fuel 105 Series coming up for private sale soon. We have a new 200 Series on order.

It has dual batteries. elec brake controller, spare wheel carrier,HF CB, Load Rail roof rack, for a tinny, is an 8 seater, has only done 117,000 and is immaculate. We have it's full history and log books etc.

It has never been off road and never been damaged in any way. We bought it privately from a lady owner, who used it to go to tennis and Woollies (seriously) When we bought it in 2006 it had only done 88ks and we had lpg fitted straight away.

We want $30k for it, and currently use it to tow our caravan, and if you are interested, send me an email
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