1080 baiting, what animals are targeted ?

Submitted: Sunday, Jun 01, 2008 at 22:39
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Hi to all, just returned from a day trip to Boyagin Rock Reserve about 17 kms NW of Pingelly WA.

Driving the perimeter track we noticed an unusual number of dead and dying Bobtail lizzards. None appeared to have been run over and, although no expert in this field, noticed that they appeared extremely under weight.

On entry to the reserve there was signage warning of the use of 1080 poison in meats and eggs being used in the area.

Not suggesting that they have been poisoned but what animals are the baits targeted, and, can the poison have an effect down the food chain ?

Cheers.....Lionel.
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Reply By: Motherhen - Sunday, Jun 01, 2008 at 22:58

Sunday, Jun 01, 2008 at 22:58
Foxes. 1080 is used because the native animals have a tolerance to it.

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Follow Up By: Member - Dennis P (Scotland) - Sunday, Jun 01, 2008 at 23:08

Sunday, Jun 01, 2008 at 23:08
Impact on non-target animals
• 1080 is toxic to a wide range of species including birds, mammals and reptiles; however there are marked differences in sensitivity. Dogs are extremely sensitive, and most other mammalian carnivores are highly sensitive to 1080 poisoning. Herbivores are less sensitive, and birds and reptiles increasingly more tolerant.

Just 'googled' that.

Lost our 2 dogs to 1080 in Norseman in '02.
Missus took them for a walk near the hospital and they must have picked up a bait, by the time she realised they were in trouble, it was too late. Took them to the nearest Vet in Esperance. Poor little buggers died a horrible death.
Still dark on the thoughtless so and so who laid baits in the town area.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Sunday, Jun 01, 2008 at 23:08

Sunday, Jun 01, 2008 at 23:08
Pressed the gogo button too soon -

Extract:

Canids (dogs and foxes) are among the most sensitive; herbivores and birds are less sensitive, and reptiles and amphibians are relatively insensitive to 1080.

I have never heard of bobtails being affected - may be loss of food sources due to prolonged poor seasons.

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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Sunday, Jun 01, 2008 at 23:10

Sunday, Jun 01, 2008 at 23:10
Agreed. If I rember correctly 1080 occurs naturally in a lot of plants found in the bush. I think particularly ones with pea shaped flowers but I,m not sure about that. Apparently animals that eat these plants as a normal part of their diet build up a tolerance as Motherhen has stated. I wonder if the meat or eggs used for baiting are affecting animals that would not normally consume plants that contain 1080 as a part of their food intake?

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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Sunday, Jun 01, 2008 at 23:18

Sunday, Jun 01, 2008 at 23:18
Although 'sausage' shaped 1080 baits are made for aerial baiting programmes in state forests, as farmers, we have to get a permit, state where baits will be laid, advise all neighbours, put up signs, tie baits down (they are like pieces of jerky), remove ones not taken each day. Can't buy the baits without a permit. Can't buy strychnine any more. Crows can move baits - one reason why they need to be tied down.

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Follow Up By: disco driver - Sunday, Jun 01, 2008 at 23:24

Sunday, Jun 01, 2008 at 23:24
Further to Motherhen's comments:

1080 is used in WA
For wild dog and dingo control in pastoral areas (as a dried meat bait)
For fox control, (as a dried meat bait and/or in eggs).
For rabbit control, (in oats)

These baits are designed to be target specific, the size of the bait and the concentration of 1080 in the various baits has been calculated to target only specific animal species.

There are restrictions on where these varous baits may be laid with particular emphasis on human health and safety.

As Motherhen has said, most of the native animals in WA have an increased tolerance to 1080.
Simply explained,this comes about because there are a number of plant species native to WA which contain the same poison compound as the manufactured 1080. The WA animal species have co-existed with these plants for hundreds of generations.

A large number of the Eastern State species have minimal tolerance to 1080 and thus are susceptible to 1080 poisoning.

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Reply By: Neil & Pauline - Sunday, Jun 01, 2008 at 23:04

Sunday, Jun 01, 2008 at 23:04
Lionel
I would not expect bobtails would be killed by 1080 as it only targets introduced species to WA.
Natural occuring animals are imune to 1080 as it is naturally occuring in a lot of the native plants.

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Reply By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Sunday, Jun 01, 2008 at 23:09

Sunday, Jun 01, 2008 at 23:09
Hmm that is unusal Bit late in the year for Bobtails. They should have somwhat ofan imunity but I gather natives are more susceptable than they would have you believe. 1080 targets dogs and maybe foxes. testing is underway for a bait cats will take




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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Sunday, Jun 01, 2008 at 23:19

Sunday, Jun 01, 2008 at 23:19
Davoe

Feral cats are a huge problem and certainly need to be controlled.I just wish there was a more humane way to do it . I have seen animals die from 1080 poisoning and it is not a pleasant sight.
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Follow Up By: Member - Lionel A (WA) - Sunday, Jun 01, 2008 at 23:21

Sunday, Jun 01, 2008 at 23:21
Great stuff Davoe, Boyagin is one of those little gems driven past so often but hardly visited.

Yep, some of them tracks do a better job than industrial paint stripper.....hahaha.

Cheers mate,

Lionel.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Sunday, Jun 01, 2008 at 23:25

Sunday, Jun 01, 2008 at 23:25
Im up for another visit. Want o go there in winter with the rock pools full with frogs and tadpolses. easily
close enogh or an overnigher and some faciliys.
Brookton pubs not bad either
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Sunday, Jun 01, 2008 at 23:27

Sunday, Jun 01, 2008 at 23:27
Arggg I hate this laptop key board
should say I wont to go there in winter
unless i nearly punch the keys clean through it misses letters
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Follow Up By: Member - Lionel A (WA) - Sunday, Jun 01, 2008 at 23:43

Sunday, Jun 01, 2008 at 23:43
Fair bit of surface water hanging around today, the rock pools that we saw were mostly full and the tracks wet but not slippery.

Had to watch for moss on some of the steeper wet rock climbs, had the Nissan scrambling for traction when hitting that stuff.
All great fun though.

I agree, would be an awesome place for an overnighter. Even bleep ably [hehehe] a little EO gathering. What you reckon.

Cheers.....Lionel.
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Monday, Jun 02, 2008 at 00:33

Monday, Jun 02, 2008 at 00:33
Slightly leading the Thread astray... but I was thinking of an EO Gathering over last Anzac weekend but other events overtook it.

Maybe in the wildflower season.

Some choice spots would be Kokerbin Rock, Congelin, Trough Well, Chinaman's Rock north of Yalgoo.

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Follow Up By: autosparky - Monday, Jun 02, 2008 at 01:59

Monday, Jun 02, 2008 at 01:59
have a fox problem at home in the hills took for ever but got 1080 in dried meat form when it works its great but i think with all the warning signs of the baiting , i swear the foxes can now read. put out 10 baits 1 taken , 50 rounds 22 magnum 16 shot in 22 days! . 1080 with sardine oil great for cats!. not pretty to watch them run around like mad for 3 hrs but thems the breaks with poison. (lucijet was worse for animal painful death)
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Follow Up By: Stu & "Bob" - Monday, Jun 02, 2008 at 12:12

Monday, Jun 02, 2008 at 12:12
We used 1080 for feral pigs in outback QLD in the '80's.



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Reply By: Matt(WA) - Monday, Jun 02, 2008 at 01:06

Monday, Jun 02, 2008 at 01:06
Hey Lionel,
Danica and I are up for a overnighter. We should organise one soon. Havent been to this place but it looks good.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Monday, Jun 02, 2008 at 22:03

Monday, Jun 02, 2008 at 22:03
Couple more



When I went there made a day of it starting ut from Pickering brook to Brookton Highway following the Darkin river
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Reply By: Member - Lionel A (WA) - Monday, Jun 02, 2008 at 11:03

Monday, Jun 02, 2008 at 11:03
OK guys, will consult the calander and organise a little get together within the next few weeks.

Haven't organised one before but with plenty of firewood, space, tracks and a good ol' fashioned Saturday night bash.....what can go wrong !!!!!!


Cheers.....Lionel.
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Reply By: Bagwon - Monday, Jun 02, 2008 at 12:23

Monday, Jun 02, 2008 at 12:23
Im sure i heard that 1080 came from a bush called York Road poison.

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Follow Up By: autosparky - Monday, Jun 02, 2008 at 20:08

Monday, Jun 02, 2008 at 20:08
its now made syntetically , but its original origins where from the gastrolobium species
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Reply By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Monday, Jun 02, 2008 at 13:23

Monday, Jun 02, 2008 at 13:23
OK I don't want to upset anyone but surely 1080 has collateral damage associated with its use. And I agree feral pests are a huge problem so why is there not more encouragement for shooters? I don't wish to suggest that the poisoning proponents are wrong but it seems way too convenient to suggest that the damage is either minimal or acceptable.

I've heard enough government experts to know that the popular view of the day prevails and don't let the facts get in the way. But even in this green and feeling age it seems nonsensical.

Simply put if I knock over that possum that keeps me awake at night I would be in trouble yet if he was an accidental by product to poisoning it would be OK?

Of the soap box and my apologies in advance.
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