OT? I need a printer

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I figure that for me, the printer with the lowest replacement cartridge cost is the one to go for in order to download the great tips you get here (not off topic at all).
Just basic B&W, any ideas?.....cheers
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Reply By: Member - Warfer (VIC) - Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 17:57

Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 17:57
Stick with Canon, Go to Centre.Com Hartnett Drive !

Then Buy this Option Just Example
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 18:26

Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 18:26
Canon or a printer that has separate colour cartridges.. I have a canon multi function and the general operation and scanner is simple and logical.. Michael
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Follow Up By: Member - David P (VIC) - Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 18:29

Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 18:29
Thanks guys, looks like a trip to Frankston,
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 18:47

Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 18:47
The problem with Canon printers is the difficulty of getting non-genuine cartridges because of the tricks they employ to stop you refilling their own cartridges. Brother cartridges are possibly the cheapest. Lexmark are the dearest.

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Follow Up By: wigger - Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 19:09

Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 19:09
Yes , agree with N N .
If you only want to print in monochrome then you can't gp past a brother 2040 Laser which is the cheapest to run. Don't be put off by a laser cartridge because it has the cheapest per copy print price. Cost about $80 at Office Works on special.
Be careful if buying an MFP. some of them don't have separate black tanks and you'll pay squillions to run off stuff.
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Follow Up By: Member - David P (VIC) - Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 19:15

Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 19:15
Thanks guys,
Looks like a laser for my type of use,
cheers,
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 20:49

Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 20:49
Yes i agree, If you just want black printing, laser would be cheaper. Michael
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Reply By: teabags - Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 18:28

Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 18:28
Price per page it's hard to beat the Brother HL2140. Dick Smith currently has them for $99 but if you look around you can usually get them for about $79. Comes with a full toner cartridge (many others only have cartridge supplied with printer one third full). Approx 1500 pages per cartridge. Replacement cartridges can be as low as $60 ( 4 cents per page).
Unless you specifically need colour avoid the cheap inkjet printers as their cost per page tends to be very expensive, some as much as 50cents per page.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 18:42

Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 18:42
This is probably the best model to get. You can get cheaper printers in the ink jet style but these laser printers are much cheaper to run (as the next reply was suggesting.)

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Reply By: Member - Nev (TAS) - Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 18:28

Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 18:28
Hi David P,
The best long term investment for a B&W printer is a laser printer. You can get them very cheap these days and they work out much cheaper per page. Some of them double up as photocopiers and fax machines. In the 43 schools I look after we have just about off loaded all of our ink cartridge printers and replaced them with laser printers.
Have you thought of gathering all your data and burning it to a DVD or CDRom. Saves on space and paper. Just means you need your PC to read them.
All the best


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Follow Up By: Member - David P (VIC) - Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 19:10

Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 19:10
Hi Nev,
any particular brand?
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Follow Up By: Member - Nev (TAS) - Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 20:59

Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 20:59
Hi,
In all my schools we use HP lasers HP2015DN at approx $630 ex GST which are networked full duplex printers with 3 year on-site warranty. Do approx 7000 pages per toner and print both sides so are exceptionally economical. I bought one for home to use on my home network and find them excellent. Daughter prints all her projects and stuff for her masters on it. HP have a cheaper model the HP1505 which is good value as well.
Prior to that I had a Brother Multi-Function Printer/Scanner/Copier/fax which was good but print quality not as good as this HP.
When you go to shops ask them to print a test page for you and you should be able to see the quality.
By the way DO NOT repeat DO NOT put any photo quality paper for ink jet printers through your laser, (if you buy one). It will melt the wax off it and make one helluva mess. Normally means a new printer unless you are very lucky.

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Reply By: _gmd_pps - Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 18:33

Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 18:33
a 6 colour with continuous ink system or what are you talking
about ?? 44" ??
buy a model for which you get after market ink .. thats the only
way to cut cost.
good luck
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 20:55

Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 20:55
Agree the continuous ink system is the go. $115 for the system which includes almost 1.5 litres of ink. Works out at about 1/10 the cost of genuine cartridges. I was concerned the ink quality may be suspect but it's almost identical to the brand name & perfect for photos. Check out this mob on ebay.
Cheers Craig......
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Follow Up By: _gmd_pps - Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 21:46

Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 21:46
the continuous is not really the main advantage, only when you print a certain amount. third party ink is .. I run an Epson 9600 Ultrachrome 7 colour. One fill is A$1200 genuine Epson ink and
8 Cartridges at 220ml at 189 US$ + 32$ shipping from the US.
The third party is the main factor, continuous is a convenience and further saving. Convenience in particular when you run a proper profile for paper/ink and need consistency in the ink.

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Reply By: Motherhen - Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 19:04

Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 19:04
Epson is recognised at the cheapest to run ink-wise.

My daughter's printer carked it about 18 months or so ago, and she just got around the cheapest she could at the time with colour, which she needs. It was around $89 at Aust Post shops, and in addition is a scanner and can photocopy b&w or colour without turning on the computer. It was a model CX something I recall. It does good quality photos, and she was so pleased with it that she bought me one the same. I haven't brought it with me as it is a bit big to justify taking in the caravan, but I will if I need a printer on future travels. Probably even cheaper now. The black and colour cartridges are all separate, so you can just buy the black. Hers is still going strong - better than the cheap Canons where I used to work; they dropped dead unrepairable after 12 months and they only got fairly light usage.

Look them up.

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Reply By: MrBitchi (QLD) - Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 19:08

Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 19:08
Get a laser printer for all your black and white stuff.
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Follow Up By: Muddie - Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 20:21

Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 20:21
I work in large format digital print and have owned a pair of ink jet printers worth more than a million each, desk top colour is just to expensive and unreliable, its for the fairies, get a B&W laser printer we use basic Xerox lasers at about $200 each its all you really need, a well prepared assignment or presentation is just as good in quality B&W as it is in ordinary colour.
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Reply By: stevesub - Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 19:33

Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 19:33
Our latest 2 year old printer is a Brother MFC215 with separate ink tanks - (this is a MUST). The printer gets a hard time as it is used for business and has survived. The best $200 I have spent in a printer. Remember I bought it 2 years ago and only used, cheap ink, the cheapest paper I can find and it is still going strong, dspite the warnings in the handbook to only used genuine ink and paper.

I usually buy 9 cartridges at a time off eBay at $38 delivered (2 of each colour and 3 Black). They are also larger than the usual cartridges so they last longer than most.

My next printer will probably be a Brother but one that has a sheet feeder for the scanner and is able to be networked.

Never get a printer with one cartridge as they are the most expensive to run.

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Reply By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 20:27

Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 20:27
Sorry everyone, got to disagree.
If you want to cut down on ink costs, get a printer that has a CISS system available. These will cut your ink costs by over 90%. I kid you not. Before you buy any printer, check out CiSS and only buy a printer that has it available. Mainly you can get them for Canon and Epson, including some low price models.
With CISS, you rplace the usual cartridges with a unit that has large ink bottles and feeds the head via silicone tubes. You then buy ink in bulk which is vastly cheaper and simply top up the bottles as needed.
The models with dye inks are a little cheaper, but the prints wont last as long. You can also get models that use pigment ink if you want 80plus years archive quality.
I sell about 20 photos a week and using a ciss system has not only lowered costs, it has saved lots of frustration with running out of a colour unexpectedly etc.
Try these two sites for more details.
David, oth are in Vic so you can go and have a look at them running.
I use two Ciss systems, one purchased from each company. One runs dye inks and the other pigment inks.
http://www.rihac.com.au/
http://www.ausmedia.com.au/

Happy to give further details.
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Reply By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 20:36

Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 20:36
Sorry Warfer, I just realized that the link you gave means you were giving much the same advice. I know David said he was really only needing B/W , but I agree with you, it is still much cheaper to use a CISS colour sytem than B/W cartridge on their own. One of the shops I gave is in Essendon, the other in Box Hill. If you don't really want to do colour photos, the Rihac system at the Essendon shop is cheaper. Still gives excellent colour, but the prints start to fade if exposed to bright light.
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Follow Up By: Member - David P (VIC) - Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 20:42

Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 20:42
Thanks Mike,
For my limited(?) use would I not be better off with a Brother cheers,HL2140 laser printer for <$90?
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Follow Up By: Member - David P (VIC) - Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 20:45

Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 20:45
oops Brother HL2140,
cheers,
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Follow Up By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Wednesday, Jun 04, 2008 at 08:50

Wednesday, Jun 04, 2008 at 08:50
David, OK, if you realy only want B/W, the Brother might be your best choice. There is a little bit of messing around to set up a cIS and for $90, probably not worth it. I would reckon however that an inkjet with cis anhd 3rd p[arty bulk ink would be cheaper to run than a laser, but at $90 for a laser, the convenience of the laser probably wins.
I also worked in a school and we tried lasers and inkjets(not CIS) The cheap lasers were virtually throwaway items once the cartridge was finished. Most gave problems on second cartridges. We couldn't get an even print colour acrossd the page (check the price of a replacement cartridge for any laser you buy, they used to be almost exactly the same as the printer, for a cheap laser printer. We used the cheapest Canons.This may no longer be the case and I emphasize that I am only talking about the very cheapest"personal" models. I have no experience at all with the Brothers.
Another factor is startup. Both work better if used regularly. A laser has to do a warm up each time it starts that uses quite a lot of power.Not a problem if you do long runs. Inkjets should be used at least every couple of days to minimize the risk of head blockages. There have also been negative reports over the years about the health issues of the powder used in lasers if in a small area.
I have to admit bias, just love my cIS systems and have them on a cheap Canon MP530 which incredibly also faxes and photocopies and a $1000 Epson 1800
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Reply By: Member - res.q.guy (VIC) - Wednesday, Jun 04, 2008 at 07:23

Wednesday, Jun 04, 2008 at 07:23
Hi David
I agree with "wiggler" go with the Brother HL-2040 from Officeworks, It's the best printer for the price, I have ever had.
Regards
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Reply By: MrBitchi (QLD) - Wednesday, Jun 04, 2008 at 07:48

Wednesday, Jun 04, 2008 at 07:48
And consider this...

If you calculate the cost of the ink in a standard inkjet refill it works out to between $6000 and $8000 a litre, depending on brand. Yes, that's right, between six thousand and eight thousand dollars /LT.

LOL, and you think petrol's expensive....
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Wednesday, Jun 04, 2008 at 12:26

Wednesday, Jun 04, 2008 at 12:26
There's only one way to go guys, here is the gospel. Choose your weapon , Epson or Canon and ditch the inidvidual cartridges. You need a continous ink system from a company like Rihac.

www.rihac.com.au

This is the only way to go, especially if have kids doing homework, they love using gobs of colour..!

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Reply By: wigger - Wednesday, Jun 04, 2008 at 20:51

Wednesday, Jun 04, 2008 at 20:51
When you put new cartridges in, make sure that you've got the white lettering facing inwards........or is it outwards
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Reply By: Outa Bounds - Wednesday, Jun 04, 2008 at 23:20

Wednesday, Jun 04, 2008 at 23:20
I'm reading on with interest as our current printer is getting a bit old (Canon i865). We were looking at one of those new do it all Cannons (scan, copy etc) but I got put off once I read that they have started putting special chips on the cartridges. I think our current printer is 5yrs old, oh yes it did need some encouragement after we moved house (time before this time) but a bit of a thump and she's still kicking along reasonably.

I do print photos and it's annoying running out of ink.
However that CISS system (Center Com from what I can see costs exactly the same (or a bit more) than I pay fr my 5 Canon genuine cartridges. I don't see any other refills on there - but they would certainly want to be substantially cheaper than that.

I have noticed in the tech specs Canon seems to have some sort of ink usage figure, but I can only assume that the number they put up means "number of pages printed" as they don't state anywhere what exactly it means.

Perhaps an idea to get a laser for everyday printing and a bubblejet for everything else. But I thought lasers had a reputation of being pretty slow - especially once you start looking at colour models.

Think I may throw it in the "too hard" basket until this one truly carks it.

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Follow Up By: Member - David P (VIC) - Thursday, Jun 05, 2008 at 09:51

Thursday, Jun 05, 2008 at 09:51
Hi Outa,
What I want is one for very intermittent use. one that can lye idle for up to a month and then work.....is there such a beast?
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Follow Up By: HGMonaro - Thursday, Jun 05, 2008 at 10:14

Thursday, Jun 05, 2008 at 10:14
your 5 geniuine Canon cartidges contain 8ml or so of ink each, the CIS style have 100ml or something. I bought the refillable carts (my printer didn't have a kit to hook up the inks for continous supply) and ink (about $299) and haven't bought ink for about 4 years and still have a lot left. However, you do need to use it often to avoid clogged heads, so if you only want to use it occasionly, and have no need for colour output, then the laser is the weapon of choice.
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Follow Up By: Outa Bounds - Thursday, Jun 05, 2008 at 11:50

Thursday, Jun 05, 2008 at 11:50
DavidP, I don't use my printer every day, sometimes not even every few days & have not had any problems. Purely from what I have read here, a laser does sound good if you're not firing it up all the time.

An IT guy told my husband once, the more you spend on a laser printer the cheaper it generally costs to run it. I guess there is good reason why most big companies use lasers rather than anything else.

HGMonaro, I thought of that fact afterwards that I didn't know how much ink was in my genuine cartridges - kind of funny that it doesn't say anywhere! 100ml compared to 8ml is definitely worth it, I'd be taking, printing and sending more photos to family for sure, heck it would even make it worthwhile to print some for myself and put in a real photo album like the old days!

So my options then..
*Get a multifunction laser (copy, scan, fax, print - is there such a beast?) and a CIS compatible inkjet for photos (well basically keep the current one for photos till it dies)
*Go for a multifunction bubble jet (some Cannon) and get a cheap laser for b&w printing?

Seems like good Lasers aren't cheap? Both options would cost as much. But am I correct in assuming that for B&W laser is definitely the way to go?
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Follow Up By: Member - David P (VIC) - Thursday, Jun 05, 2008 at 14:34

Thursday, Jun 05, 2008 at 14:34
So the Brother HL2140 for<$90 for Officeworks looks to be good value and reliable.....Ta for the help girls&boys (g&b)
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Follow Up By: wigger - Monday, Jun 09, 2008 at 16:29

Monday, Jun 09, 2008 at 16:29
Can't see them on special there at the moment, but there will be others doing deals. Do you want me to let you know when I see one. What's your e/mail address?
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Follow Up By: Member - David P (VIC) - Monday, Jun 09, 2008 at 21:41

Monday, Jun 09, 2008 at 21:41
Thanks wigger,
I have ordered one from office works ($79) plus cable, but thanks for that,
cheers
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Follow Up By: wigger - Tuesday, Jun 10, 2008 at 19:42

Tuesday, Jun 10, 2008 at 19:42
David
Do you want the code settings so that you can access the counter and other functions. I didn't get this with the instructions(maybe there weren't any in the box) Got them from either Willem or Phil (SA) Will send if you want as email attachment.
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Follow Up By: Member - David P (VIC) - Tuesday, Jun 10, 2008 at 19:59

Tuesday, Jun 10, 2008 at 19:59
Sorry wigger,
I am tech challenged to the point that I don't understand the question.
I pick the printer up on Fri, do you just plug in and the computer recognises it or does it use an installation disk supplied with the printer??
Code settings?
cheers
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Follow Up By: wigger - Thursday, Jun 12, 2008 at 21:03

Thursday, Jun 12, 2008 at 21:03
David,
It's a while since I installed mine but I'm pretty sure there was a driver supplied. i.e your computer will recognise this as being a 2040 that you want to use and will install. After getting message that the installation is complete, (if using Windows) go to your control panel and make this printer your default printer, so that your previous printer is bypassed and it selects your new one automatically. (will give instructions if you're not sure how to do this) What I was talking about (code settings) is additional to all of this and it enables you to see at a glance how many copies you have run off etc If you have a problem with the installation or want the additional stuff , email donnedx@hotmail.com and I'll send it.
Best printer I've ever had.
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Follow Up By: Member - David P (VIC) - Thursday, Jun 12, 2008 at 21:39

Thursday, Jun 12, 2008 at 21:39
Thanks wigger,
This is my first computer and will be my first printer when I pick it up tomorrow night and I will get back to you if I have a problem.
Thanks again,
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Reply By: MrBitchi (QLD) - Thursday, Jun 05, 2008 at 09:57

Thursday, Jun 05, 2008 at 09:57
For intermittent use get a Laser printer. Ink jets are prone to drying out if left unused for extended periods. Can be a bitch to get them working again.
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