The truth about battery life?
Submitted: Sunday, Jun 15, 2008 at 21:22
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Do we know the truth about the batteries we use or are we just passing on something we have heard along the way?
Studying the specs for my new 100ah AGM I submit the following for discussion.
The commonly accepted max recommended discharge for an AGM is 50%. Maintaining 100% charge capability of the battery, Specs state that the max cycles at 50% DOD is 300.
i.e 300x50ah = 15000 ah of useful charge. (500 days use at 30 ah per day)
However if we look at the specs for 100% DOD, we see that the max cycles is 205. i.e 205x100ah = 20500 ah of useful charge. (683 days at 30ah per day.) More than 30% longer life than if discharged to 50% DOD.!!!!! The figures are not much different for a battery capacity of 80%
Are we all fooling ourselves by thinking 50% DOD is best? or does the maker know best?
Ian
Reply By: macbushy - Sunday, Jun 15, 2008 at 22:51
Sunday, Jun 15, 2008 at 22:51
I concur with most of the above,
Rule 1. Beer must be cold.
Rule 2. Charge when able
Rule 3. See rule 1.
Rule 4. If I have had several years out of an abused battery, and the beer has been cold,
well worth the cost. (think about it....when it's 44C, and you are sitting on a beach, watching sun go down, surf rod is twitching, beer is cold, fridge is humming, who cares if you get 2 years or 4 years out of your battery.)
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Follow Up By: Member -Dodger - Sunday, Jun 15, 2008 at 23:21
Sunday, Jun 15, 2008 at 23:21
My sentiments exactly.
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Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Phillip S (WA) - Sunday, Jun 15, 2008 at 23:53
Sunday, Jun 15, 2008 at 23:53
That's it .....lol
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Reply By: Member - Craig M (QLD) - Monday, Jun 16, 2008 at 07:09
Monday, Jun 16, 2008 at 07:09
Can't help but wonder if some non-battery owned reputable mob (ie Choice etc) has done the 'compare the battery' exercise?
I am currently trying to insert a battery up the fundamental orifice of a supplier who assured me that the battery he sold me was 'heavy duty' and 'much bigger than I really needed' and 'would last for years' This is after only 5 months.
I won't name the battery manufacturer for fear of starting a war of biblical proportions because I am sure that my problem is a dodgy unit/supplier rather than dodgy battery company
Does anyone know of such a comparison guide that is completley independent of battery
shop charlatans?
Craig
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Follow Up By: Mr Pointyhead - Monday, Jun 16, 2008 at 09:26
Monday, Jun 16, 2008 at 09:26
A friend once worked for a
well known battery distributor. One of his jobs was to put the stickers on the batteries. The only difference between the normal batteries or heavy duty was the stickers. The new batteries would come in on a pallet and his boss would tell him if they needed more normal or heavy duty batteries, and he would apply the appropriate sticker. ..
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Reply By: Vivid Adventures - Monday, Jun 16, 2008 at 08:32
Monday, Jun 16, 2008 at 08:32
Google Peukert... there are plenty of non-linear effects involved here and your calculations are pretty simplistic.
That said, your conclusion is probably not far from reality.
The makers know empirically. The makers make rule of thumb recommendations that are not directly related to their empirical findings for that particular battery - just general "good practice".
In practice you have your battery for a job.
You make compromises about space, capacity, etc., in selecting your battery.
Your travelling and camping (or whatever) conditions, don't always match the ideal.
The retailer has no way of knowing the detail of this - before, or after.
The warranties they put on them are just what they can get away with assuming that most consumers will use them in certain ways. Consequently you can take a battery back to them, and they will probably replace it within warranty because they can't prove abuse. I am happy to live with this.
I am a battery abuser. Perhaps it could be argued I am a battery retailer abuser but because they constantly recommend their products as good for what I do, I have no hesitation in using their warranties to the full extent.
Cheers
Andrew taking back a Calcium-Calcium battery today.
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