Which Tinnie????

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We just had 6 weeks away in the Outback....Cameron Corner- Innamincka - Birdsville - Boulia - Mt Isa - Camooweal - Lawn Hill - Burketown and Karumba.

Just a great time and will be back in Karumba same time next year for 5 weeks. While there we met a great crowd of folks who took us fishing in their tinnies and included us in their happy hours etc.

So now we need a Tinnie & Motor and we THINK we've narrowed it down to a V hull over a V Nose punt as we'll do a mix of Bay and River/Lake boating.

However the more we talk to the more confused we become...not hard for us.

All my previous boats have been trailered and now we're looking at something that will live on the roof of our 100 series Landcruiser. A couple of the guys at Karumba had 3.8m Blue Fins with 20hp Honda electrics on them and just great for up there...however, every roof loader builder I have contacted said....don't do it with a 3.8 Blue Fin as the beam is too wide at 1.75m....they all suggested under 1.6m if it was to be manageable and live on the roof of the Landcrusier between destinations....my wife and I ran away from home 3 years ago and rented the place out and now we travel with a Bushtracker van and work for around 32 weeks of the year and play for the other 20.....so the boat won't see a shed and will be on the Landcruiser when not in use.

To complicate things, an aquaintance has an all but new 3.5m Sea Jay Nomad V Nose and a 15hp Yamaha 2 stroke for sale with a folding trailer and a rhino roof loader, folding swivel seats, bimini and fish finder...everything we need......but..... is the 3.5 Nomad going to be suitable for what we need???? Certainly small enough to live on the Landcruiser with a beam of 1.48m, but is it too small for use in the Bay....we don't want to go right out and would keep sight of land at all times.....as well as Karumba, we would use it in Bribie Passage and Deception Bay/Scarborough and other close in exposed waters, as well as lakes and rivers?????

We would really appreciate the feedback on this...primarily on the 3.5m Sea Jay to start with..... if not ?? Why Not and If not ?? What???

In addition to the boat and motor we'll need a folding trailer and a roof loader too we guess......so...if anyone in this land has this kind of gear surplus to requirements, then let us know the details and we'll go from there.

Cheers all
Rick & Julie
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Reply By: Member - peter C (VIC) - Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 16:03

Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 16:03
we have a makocraft 3.8mtr v bottom which has a beam of 1.70mtr . we use a custom boat loader from perth [very easy to use and an excellent company to deal with] and i would suggest you contact them as they had no qualms about a 170 beam on my lc100. if you intend to use it in larger bays lakes or sea than a v bottom generally is more seaworthy than a v punt but for rivers and limited big water use a v punt would be fine.ours is powered by a 25hp johnson and we use a folding alum trailer from a company in ballarat[they sell on ebay].we used our boat extensively in s.a. this year and we fished up to 10k from ramps.no matter which boat you buy i do recommend the custom boat loader as far easier to use than most others and extremely robust yet light construction peter
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Follow Up By: Innkeepers - Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 07:37

Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 07:37
All good info Peter and I have been in touch with Billl about the loader and you're right, he has no qualms about the size.

Not having seen a bigger boat on a cruiser, I can only guess as to what it may look like....I wouldn't want to end up with a boat up there that dwarfs the cruiser as it will live there all the time it's not in use. So access to car parks and everyday things will be a consideration too.
Gee that 25 Johno would shove your Mako along..
Cheers
Rick
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Reply By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 17:13

Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 17:13
Hi Rick ,

I have a Quintrex 3.75m DART with a 15 hp Merc 2 stroke . I cannot carry a 20hp - too heavy .

It is good for barra and estuaries with a deep V . I used to carry it on my camper but as I have swapped that for a BT , I will have to see if I can get a boatloader to fit it . I am not home now , so I cannot check the beam . Go to the Quintrex website .

It is the perfect outfit if you can get it on your car .

There is a good article on this site about cartoppers .

Cheers ,

Willie .
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Follow Up By: Innkeepers - Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 07:14

Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 07:14
Hi Ya Wille,
Good to look at your words again........

Yes, the Dart in either 375 or 355 both look well speced....the 355 is actually 3.64m long and the 3.75 is 3.8m....

The 3.75 seems a little narrow in the beam compared to others in that size and as such the V seems deeper....does this make it roll around a bit more at anchor??? Julie wouldn't be real thrilled at that.
We have a 100 series cruiser and I've seen 375 Darts on them and they look OK...probably the narrower beam of 1.58m when compared to the Blue Fin at 1.75m.

This Sea Jay 3.5 Nomad that has been offered to us comes with a Rhino Loader and a Flip n Easy folding trailer and a 15hp Yamaha 2 stroke...boat has Bimini, 2 padded fold down seats, fish finder and sealed battery all the the safety stuff and anchor. Also a pair of clip on wheels and an outboard mount for the A frame of the Van.

The whole set up is 1 year old and done 10 hours work....asking $6,000....

I suppose if we bought it and found the boat too small for our needs we could sell the hull and swap the rest over to a new one.

Or we could just sit on our hands and wait for another package to come up???
Hope you're keeping well Willie....we didn't find any yella stuff at Milparinka..others found a couple of bits...we found a few bullets....Ha Ha Ha... and Horse shoe nails....

Cheers
Rick
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 12:01

Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 12:01
Rick ,

I think the package sounds like a great buy . As you said , if the hull does not perform ,you can upgrade later to a Dart .

The Dart is great in that northern wind chop , thats why I bought it .

I also put Air-o-Floats on the sides so that it is nice and stable when I am standing up and casting for barra .

Cheers ,

Willie .
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Reply By: Tony - Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 21:20

Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 21:20
We have a Sea-Jay Nomad 3.5m, with a 15hp Yamaha 2 stroke. Its a great car topper when used with the Auo Boat Loader.

The Nomad range of boats have a punt type hull with a V shapped bow. This gives a flatter floor to move around on than the straight "V" hulls. Its great on lakes, and will handle a bit of slop with ease. Crossed Fairburn Dam last year in a 2' swell and a strong breeze. Only got a bit of spray over the front.

I'm off to fish the lakes in Qld for two months leaving monday. With a quick walk to Kokoda in the middle.
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Follow Up By: Innkeepers - Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 07:52

Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 07:52
Hi Tony,
Yes, that's the same outfit that's been offered to us and it's good to hear your experiences.

Have you done any Bay or close in exposed waters work and if so, how did you find it with 2 people in it?

By all acounts the 15hp Yammie should shove it along pretty well.

How do you find it for ease of starting????

Many Thanks
Rick
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Follow Up By: Tony - Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 08:15

Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 08:15
I will confess, the boat has only been in fresh water. After spending 21 years in the Navy, most of that at sea, I don't like what salt water does to motors.

When the time comes, I would have to worries in using the boat in inshore waters, reefs and bays. I would watch the conditions.

Two people in the boat is fine, three is ok when trolling, but no good for casting. I have a casting deck up front with a lift up lid and its great for putting all the safety gear, anchor etc in. The boat is very stable when standing up in the front.

The 15hp will get up on the plane easy, and in smooth water will do 34km (by the GPS). Fuel usage is good, a full tank done us 5 days on Lake Tinaroo, and that was going out twice a day to lift pots, and do up to an hour trolling and casting.
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Follow Up By: Tony - Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 08:22

Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 08:22
The other thing Rick, the Yamaha is very easy to start, and the gear change is on the front of the motor, not the side as some of the others.

It travells in the back of the vehicle. As long a syou run the fuel out there is very slight smell of the exhaust, but goes after a short time.


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Follow Up By: The Landy - Monday, Jul 21, 2008 at 16:17

Monday, Jul 21, 2008 at 16:17
Hi Tony

Who are you walkin the Kokoda with....Did it with a guy by the name of Aidan Grimes a couple of years ago and will be running/walking it next year..aiming for around 40 hours.

Good luck with it..
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Reply By: Kev - Wynnum - Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 22:30

Friday, Jul 18, 2008 at 22:30
Hi,
Without a doubt a 3.4m Stessyl Edgetracker is an ideal tinny for the bush.
It has a flat bottom with minor V at bow. Extremely stable and handles well with a motor as small as 4hp but a 9 is much better.
Light enough to carry on racks on vehicle or camper so no need for trailer
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Follow Up By: Innkeepers - Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 07:42

Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 07:42
Hi Kev,
Thanks for that and yes the bush would see a lot of us as it does now, but we also do see the briney a bit too and exposed bay waters are our concern....we had a 15 foot canadian canoe with an out rigger and a Minn Kota electric and it was great for the lakes and rivers.

Maybe I'm pannicking a bit over size??

Cheers
Rick
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Reply By: Member - neville G (QLD) - Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 06:58

Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 06:58
We have a 3.7mt. Quintrex "Traveller" with a half floor fitted, we drive it with a 8hp. Mariner two stroke, which I can handle easily. We have a Custom boat loader which works a treat, the boat gets up on the plane with two of us aboard and is realatively dry and very stable. Larger rigs would no doubt be better for bay use but we find our setup great and very easy to use.
Cheers and good fishing, Nev.
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Follow Up By: Innkeepers - Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 07:26

Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 07:26
Hi Nev,
Thanks for the input and the 3.5 Sea Jay that has been offered to us seems a little wider in the beam (1.48m - 1.45m) and a little higher in the sides (680mm - 630mm) than the 3.7 Traveller....however 260mm shorter in overall length.

Have you had your Traveller in choppy water? and if so how did it feel to you?

Sounds like your happy with your setup and that's what counts.
Cheers
Rick
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Follow Up By: Member - neville G (QLD) - Sunday, Jul 20, 2008 at 06:54

Sunday, Jul 20, 2008 at 06:54
Hi Rick,
Yes but only on a dam, it does bang a bit because of the flatish bottom, just have to ease off a bit, on the plus side of course it is very stable, you can stand and move around in it without drama. No doubt the deeper "V" types will be better in a chop. Good luck with your research.
Cheers, Nev
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Reply By: Bill n Di - Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 10:43

Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 10:43
Hi Rick,

We have a 3.85m Quintrex Explorer - previously we had a 3.75m Dart - and the Explorer is 1.8m wide and it isn't an issue. Our loader handles it easily.

We found the Dart was quite unstable if you moved around but the Explorer is very stable, we have travelled in all sorts of rough weather and they handleed the conditions well - from rough weather in the Gulf at Karumba, travelling 100ks a day at King ASh Bay in the NT and recently in the open ocean at Port Smith. It is a very dry boat, probably bangs a little more in chop but overall is far the better boat for the rivers, inshore reefs etc. We use a 4 stroke Honda that is strapped to a frame so we lift the end up and slide into the car, to get it out - slide it out and down and then twist around onto the boat.

This pushes the boat along beautifully - and we've added the power start and tilt - so is about 60kg, but Bill manages it okay. If we're stopping at one place then the boat is set up on a Real Ezy Barcoo trailer - and that is fantastic.

We leave our boat on the roof for the rest of the time - last year we did 35000 ks with it up there.

I can email some photos to you if you'd like of the set up.

Regards,

Dian
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Follow Up By: Member - Sam S (NSW) - Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 11:15

Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 11:15
On a slight tangent, the Flat-Out Boat company ( http://www.flatoutboats.com.au ) is developing a new 3.3m boat. Would this be big enough?
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Follow Up By: Innkeepers - Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 13:57

Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 13:57
Hi Dian,
Wow, you really do have a nice setup there...I just had a look at your gallery pics and it all looks great.

The explorer does look big, but the proof is in the pudding and with 35,000k under your belt, well that says it all.

I notice you have it on a Patrol wagon....our vehicle is a 100 series Landcruiser and these vehicles have the roof mountings and no gutters. You seem to have a reasonable amount of side overhang on the outriggers to support the gunwales of the boat and the 100 series might have less spread without the gutters and thus more overhang...I guess it depends on whether the 100 Series is a wider vehicle at the roof than the Patrol.

I followed a vehicle a few weeks ago with a tinnie on top of a Rhino rack and it was a big tinnie, but I was amazed at the amount of flex at the end of the cross bars....the whole boat was moving up and down along with the loader bars and left me wondedring if it would eventually break the bars.

Thanks Dian...first hand experience provides good info.
Cheers
Rick
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Follow Up By: Bill n Di - Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 15:23

Saturday, Jul 19, 2008 at 15:23
Hi Rick,

We have put them on a number of 100 series too - heres some of an Explorer on a 100 series.

Dian

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Follow Up By: Innkeepers - Sunday, Jul 20, 2008 at 10:33

Sunday, Jul 20, 2008 at 10:33
HI Dian,
Bigger than TEXAS......It shows what can be done with the right gear.
Many thanks
Rick
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Reply By: Ozymacca - Sunday, Jul 20, 2008 at 07:01

Sunday, Jul 20, 2008 at 07:01
Hi Innkeepers

I'm happy with my set up. I have a brooker trekker 3.7m. 15hp mariner plus the custom boat loader electric model. I would highly recommend the custom boat loader it makes loading and unloading easy. I have pasted a link below so you can see my set up in action.

Macca's Custom boatloader photo's

Cheers Macca
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Follow Up By: Innkeepers - Sunday, Jul 20, 2008 at 10:39

Sunday, Jul 20, 2008 at 10:39
Hey Macca,
Loved your gallery pics.......you're a man after my own heart in the gastronomic department.....love a good feed in the bush.....we have all the camp ovens and fire grills and also a Weber Q for when it rains or wood is scarce....

I haven't put our last adventure on our web site yet, but some of our previous jaunts are there if you'd like a look ...

www.nomadznow.com

Thanks for your reply to our post.
Safe travels
Rick
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Sunday, Jul 20, 2008 at 11:17

Sunday, Jul 20, 2008 at 11:17
Rick and Julie, you already have some great info and advice here.
I used to run a 3.5m Stacer with a 15HP Mercury 2 stroke (similar set up to the one you have been offered). This is a great set up, but we moved up to a Quintrex 3.75 with 20 HP 2 stroke Yamaha.

Reason for the change is we spend a lot of time in the boat and cover a lot of miles in it. Similar to Bill and Di - in fact, we are at King Ash Bay at the moment. We wanted a bit more size and speed for the miles and the load we carry.

We like the current set up. Because of the deep V, it is great on the plane and in a bit of chop, but can be a little unstable at rest if you run around in it. But we have no trouble and find it a great boat. It is probably the most common boat we see as a roof topper in the far north.

I'm currently looking to a possible further change. I'd like a 4 stroke, mainly for the reduced fuel consumption. We regularly use 20 litres in a day of fishing, and at $2.10 a litre (probably more next year), it is getting a bit expensive to fish.

In looking at 4 strokes on the net, I came across a press release from BRP (who make Evinrude outboards in US). They are about to release the e-Tec motor in the 25 HP and 30 HP sizes. e-Tec is a direct injected 2 stroke. They have been available in the larger motors for several years, but they are just now getting to the smaller ones.

Claimed benefits include:
retain the high torque of a 2 stroke
low emissions - at least as good as a 4 stroke and comply with California standards
Fuel economy similar to a 4 stroke (BRP claim 15% better)
300 hours or 3 years between service
Much lighter than a 4 stroke in most sizes. For example a Suzuki 4 stroke 30 HP weighs around 98 KG. 30 HP e-tec is supposed to weigh 64 KG
Because it is a 2 stroke, it can be carried on side or back without draining engine oil.
Similar noise levels to 4 stroke.

I'm fiddling with the idea of running a 30 HP e-tec on a 3.95 Quintrex Dart. But just fiddling at the moment.

A key factor in your decisions is weight. I thought most 4WD wagons had a roof load of around 100KG (but happy to be corrected). You have to count the weight of the racks and everything you might carry under the boat (in my case lots). Then the boat weight can be significant, for example:
3.75 Dart 86 KG
3.95 Dart 95 KG
3.85 Explorer 101 KG

As long as you get a boat that will handle the conditions you will use it in (too many people make the error of using flat bottom boats in large estuaries), I think you will be happy and you should have lots of fun with it.

Good luck.

Norm C




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Follow Up By: Bill n Di - Sunday, Jul 20, 2008 at 14:05

Sunday, Jul 20, 2008 at 14:05
Hi Norm,

Are you catching any fish? Had friends there recently but said river too cold yet - heard too Karumba no better.

Funny how we always think the ocean is rough, but it can get quite uncomfortable in the River at King ASh Bay.

Our 4 stroke Honda is extremely economical to run - when we first bought it Bill bought an extra tank as he thought the tank provided was too small - we have never used a tank in a trip yet and at King Ash we could leave at 7am go out to the mouth - over 30ks fish all day up and down the creeks and then go home and never used more than 1/2 - 3/4 tank. We have the power tilt and start which makes it heavy but they aren't something you're picking up all the time and a bit of inguenuity solves most problems.

I think this is a great way to go - see photos.

Cheers

Di
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Monday, Jul 21, 2008 at 15:34

Monday, Jul 21, 2008 at 15:34
G'day Di,
The Barra had been a bit quiet for a few weeks with the cooler weather. But in the last week or two, a few have been caught.
I got one at 81 cm this morning. Before that, we were getting good feeds on Golden Snapper, Salmon and other species, along with plenty of crabs and the occasional feed of prawns. We've had a great time, but will be heading off towards home in a week.

I like your outboard motor loader. I plan on making my own fold up jib / crane. It will slide into a receiver under the tray of the LC Ute (which should be ready for delivery when we get home from this trip). I should be able to lift anything heavy with it - outboard, fridges etc. It is only this jib that gives me the confidence to look at a motor that weighs up to 64KG. Like yours ( I assume), I plan on being able to move the motor from the vehicle to the transom and back with no manual lifting.

Norm C
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Follow Up By: Bill n Di - Monday, Jul 21, 2008 at 18:08

Monday, Jul 21, 2008 at 18:08
Norm,

If you want to email me privately I can give you some more photos, and Bill can explain it all - far better than me. It just uses the loader as the winch.

Di
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