Tyres - 285 v 305

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Looking at upgrading the tyres on my Land Cruiser 105. Currently running 265/75R16. I am prepared to lose a little power & economy going 285/75 but how much worse would a wider 305/70.

Is it worth the extra footprint?

Does suburbia driving become hard work with 305's?

Thanks in advance.
Chris

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Reply By: TD100 - Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 at 16:57

Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 at 16:57
clv105,

i have 305 muddies and 285 all terrains for my cruiser and find no economy difference at all. in the mud the wider tyres possibly would be a bit better but the little bit of width for the cost is possibly not worth it. i bought the 305s because at that stage they did not have a 285 in the pro comp range.plus the wank factor is better hahahaha also the wider all terrain possibly would be better on sand but i think overall the answer is no noticable difference.cheers Paul
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Follow Up By: clv105 - Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 at 19:39

Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 at 19:39
Thanks Paul,
I have a quote for 305 & 285 Maxxis MT at the same price!!!

How about on road ability?
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Follow Up By: TD100 - Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 at 20:05

Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 at 20:05
initially i ran the muddies full time for 47k,had no issues in the wet or dry,handles better with the wider muddies than with the A/Ts on the cruiser.if you can get them at the same price go the 305s i reckon.they have done a few rough tracked trips and i think they will do a couple more before retirement.cheers Paul
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 at 18:49

Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 at 18:49
Hi Chris

Thats one of those questions that can only be answered in light of knowing your objective ?

I wouldn't fit 285/75/16 - and the only reason for 305/70 is for image or to ensure the already not overstrong front end gets a little more stress.
I have to admit though that it really helps when you need to snap something on demand in front of an audience.

I'd go with the alternate standard fitment of 235/85/16 or 255/85/16 if you need even more ground clearance , 4wding ability and economy.








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Follow Up By: clv105 - Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 at 19:57

Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 at 19:57
Thanks RM,
265 are out of ratio with the 2.5" lift now so I would hate to see what 235's would look like. Why would a narrow tyre have a better 4wd ability especially on a LC..... 2.5t sitting on pizza cutters.

I am running VSI LPG so $15 per 100km is hardly putting a dent in the wallet. I am prepared to pay for wider boots and greater surface traction.

The only people who snap things are the one's who only think about entertaining an audience.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Monday, Jul 28, 2008 at 08:32

Monday, Jul 28, 2008 at 08:32
Hi Chris

Your correct - there is no need to necessarily break things , I have it done a couple of times now on overtyred cruisers when I was part of the audience.
That extra rotating mass can be 6kg or so per wheel.
I don't run my reference set of 265/75/16 very often although I should because they are 6 years old now, but when chaning from them to the 235's I mostly run around town its like a breath of fresh air , even though the wheel/tyre combination is only 4 kg per wheel lighter the whole steering setup feels more precise and responsive.

It really does get down to what one's objectives are and wether or not your like to optimize things with tyre pressure changes.

Some of those cruiser models came with 190 size standard (7.50) then they went to 235 which I felt was about right.

As for 4wding , I would agree that the 305 would have most friction and aquaplanning if left at a constant pressure.

If you can alter the pressures to match the conditions the narrower (but not to narrow) tyres will be better.

The real power loss occurs through the energy required to microbend the tread where it meets and leaves the road surface.
So a 305 width of tread requiring bending obviously takes more energy than a 235 width assuming the appropriate air pressure is in each tyre.
Its this same width difference sweeping a path along a road looking for nails or sharp rocks that also concerns me.

Ultimately though the better traction provided by a more appropriate contact patch shape for the same contact patch area is what provides the better 4wding performance - but again only if aired down accordingly.





















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Reply By: Tippa - Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 at 21:09

Sunday, Jul 27, 2008 at 21:09
I had Coopers 265s on my 80series and went for 285 75 16 Mickey Thompsons this time. Although not the same car, i can say that the diameter is larger, the footprint larger and tread pattern far more aggressive. All adds up and makes them look like a far bigger tyre. The 305s would be even moreso, but i'm just adding that stepping up to 285s will make a nice visual improvement with your lift kit anyway if you had doubts with going to 305s.
Cheers!
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