Putting a tyre back on rim question
Submitted: Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:13
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richard
Ok best to give a bit of background.
I have 17" Mickey Thompson tyres with alloy wheels.
I have bought some R&R Beadbreakers - the instructions are a bit vague and don't tell you every thing see later
So I want to have a go at this. I am not going to use my good ones so I am using a 13" spare wheel/tyre I had hanging around.
After a bit of trial and tribulation and watching the video I was able to do everything to a point (I have some extras that they don't tell you how to use - see more questions later).
I took the tyre off, had some problems till I got the hang of it, and then started to put it back on (the source of my main questions).
I got one side on - fairly easy then went to use the R&R to do the front side as per video. Guess what they don't fit a 13" rim - it is to big - no problem as I have 17" and this is a test - so just used levers to put it back on and rubber mallet.
Ok I now have the tyre on and want to get it back on the bead - last step. I have a fairly good compressor -Bushranger Max Air 2 -
well it cost a bloody lot any way. I connect the compressor up and did not seem to make any difference - certainly did not pop tyre back on the bead. I may have done something wrong but did think this compressor would have the juice to do the job.
I went to the garage and used the air compressor there and had no troubles.
Now for my main question
Does the Max Air have enough grunt to rebead the 13"tyre or 17" tyre. Any other peoples experiences?
Other questions re the R&R BB
I have a ZOA and a superfoot
I think the ZOA is used when you thread the shaft through a stud hole - which you have to do for my wheels when doing the front side of the tyre
I also have a superfoot and have an idea how to use it but there are no instructions - I just need to know which way round it goes when fitted - silly question and I thiink I know the answer
Thanks in advance,
Richard
Reply By: Member - extfilm (NSW) - Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:19
Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:19
you may need to put a tie down strap around the tyre and crank it up so the bead is on the rim
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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:26
Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:26
Ha! You received some valuable tuition in reseating tyres not so long ago...hahahahaha
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Follow Up By: Member - extfilm (NSW) - Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:37
Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:37
LOL,Yes, thank you Willem, gained tonnes of information about doing it in the bush........
It sure would make things alot easier if I had put the tyre changing machine on the back of the ute that I used whilst doing my apprenticeship. Especially for the pain in my arm. Only rims I never had a go at was the splits when doing the apprenticship. In 4 years one never came in.
And I still have the tyres on the ute without getting them balanced. Although I do know how to balance them in the bush too.
Peter
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Reply By: Willem - Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:24
Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:24
Its a PITA to
seat a tyre that will not
seat properly.
Take rope and sling it around the tread of the tyre and tighten it till the bead seats and then pump the tyre up.
OR
throw little bit of petrol(or any other highly flammable liquid) in the tyre and a flaming match in after it. Whoosh!! Your tyre will be seated .....lol
I will stay with splits rims thankyou!
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:31
Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:31
Get a bicycle tube the correct size pump it up a bit and place it around the rim under the rim edge and then pump the tyre up. Pull the thing out before the bead pops.
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Reply By: toyocrusa - Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:33
Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 12:33
Hi.If you go down to your local tyre dealer and watch the fitter install a tyre you may get an idea. You need to try and simulate this procedure which requires good air pressure but also good air volume which can only come from some sort of reservoir,(air tank) The fitters also put a soapy lubricant on the beads so that they "pop" on the rim centrally. It usually makes a huge "bang" as the tyres goes over the safety rim and you can get sprayed with the lubricant so protect yourself.Hope this helps.Bob.
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Reply By: Member - Mick O (VIC) - Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 13:17
Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 13:17
Here's a sure fire method that I use to great success far too many times on the last trip.
(Don't try this at home kiddies!)
1. Take the can of butane out of your little
camp cooker. Place the nozzle from a can of WD40 (flyspray can, anything) on the top.
2. Take the valve out of the tyre but keep it and the supatool handy.
3. Brush a little soapy
water around the bead of the tire and make sure that the dead and rim is clear of any dirt, twigs etc.
4. With a packet of matches handy and one out ready to light, spay the butane inside the tyre and then stand back and light and throw match. KEEP YOUR FINGERS AWAY from the bead.
5. Tyre will expand onto the rim due to the expanding vapour ignition. The tyre will suck the displaced air back through the valve. Allow it to do this then scew in the valve, attach your compressor and get pumping.
One other piece of advice, if it doesn't go pop the first time, make sure the lit match that has fallen inside the tyre is out before you reapply the butane. Laugh....! It's an easy method and works
well.
I can send you a MP4 video file of this method if you post an email address.
Cheers. Mick
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Reply By: TrevorDavid- Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 13:41
Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 13:41
Richard,the R&R bead breaker is a good tool and very easy to use,watch the video a few times over & over & then practice a few times & you will find it quite easy. To reseat the bead read Phil G's reply in thread 56936, it works a threat on my 285/75s & i think he has done 35's as
well
Regards
TDB
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Reply By: Splits - Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 14:21
Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 14:21
Richard
For a tyre as light and flexible as a 13 inch, refitting it to the rim should only need a rubber hammer. If you have to use levers then you are doing something wrong. Most likely it will be the tyre is not correctly positioned in the recess in the centre of the rim and you have to stretch it too far in order to get it on.
If you have any trouble inflating it then lay the wheel down on the ground with the outside up. Stomp around the tyre with your foot a few times and try and push the inner bead down onto the rim. It does not have to be right on just as long as it looks like it is sealed all the way around. Stand the wheel up with the outside facing you and lean it on an angle against something like a wall or tree. Push gently down on the centre of the wheel with your knee while you put air into it.
If you are not unlucky and push the wheel away from the inner bead, the wheel will come into contact with the outer bead as you push it and seal.
I used this method at work many times years ago and found it almost always worked. It was far quicker than going and getting a strap, petrol, spray cans, gelignite or whatever else was handy.
A 17 inch 4b tyre may be too stiff and heavy to do that but it might be worth giving it a go.
Another thing that could be worth trying is one of those sponge rubber ring type things that the tyres
services use. Ask one to show you how they work then keep one in the car if you think they are the answer.
Brian
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Reply By: richard - Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 15:05
Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 15:05
HI,
Thanks for the replies. I have seen a number of youtubes doing the butane trick. and the tie down strap.
With my luck (clumsy is another word) I would probably blow myself up. But if stuck in the middle of no where I would give it a go.
According to the R&R documentation/video - a good quality air compressor will pop it back on if you use their tool (which I couldn't cause my test tyre is to small).
My question is has any one done this with a 12v air compressor like the Max Air after using R&R BBs
Richard
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Reply By: Member - Chris & Debbie (QLD) - Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 15:21
Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 15:21
Hi Richard
Any size air compressor will pop the tyre back on the rim once the bead has sealed against the rim. If the bead is not against the rim no size compressor will
seat it. The easiest way I have found, is to lay the wheel down on something like timber, to keep the rim off the ground and stand on it so that the bead will
seat on one side, then turn is over and with the compressor connected push the rim back the other way to
seat the other bead. As the pressue builds the tyre will pop onto the rim.
If this doesn't work I would go the tie-down aroud the tread.
Chris
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Reply By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 16:59
Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 16:59
The butane (or one third cup of petrol) is an entirely satisfactory way of doing this. Fast and easy and really quite safe, even if it looks pretty wild.
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Reply By: richard - Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 18:05
Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 18:05
Hi,
Many thanks for the replies.
I do wanna try blowing one of those up with butane. I will give that a go on my 13" test tyre.
I had another old tyre - this one was 14 or 15" but the rim was stuffed. Once again it was to small for R&R to help put it back on but did manage to get it on but could not get it back on the bead as the rim was damaged - even at the garage.
Continue on with my fun - I just found that the air filter on the compressor broke off - broke!!. I will need to get another one - if I can!. So want be able to try any more tests for awhile.
I can try some of the other suggestions (blowing it up, jumping on it :).) I note swearing doesn't help either.
Over all the R&R seem good
tools and do make breaking the bead very easy. The video and instructions could be better as they don't seem to cover some of the add ons I have.
I have done two tyres so far - just have not managed to get them back on the bead without visiting the garage.
Richard
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Reply By: Member - Shane D (QLD) - Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 20:09
Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 20:09
Here is a couple of methods for your perusal
The "impress ya mates" method.
The method to use if you don't have anything flammable
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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Sunday, Sep 14, 2008 at 07:41
Sunday, Sep 14, 2008 at 07:41
Great video Shane
I'm not game enuf to do that !
I just get a rachet strap, put it around the centre of the ryre, and just tighten it up.
This forces the bead to the edge of the rim, and my Big Red compressor does the rest.
Cheers
Bucky
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Reply By: richard - Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 22:56
Saturday, Sep 13, 2008 at 22:56
When using butane or what ever are you supposed to leave the valve in or not.
I have been looking at youtube and some seem to leave in and some don't.
Richard
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Reply By: Squizzy - Sunday, Sep 14, 2008 at 07:28
Sunday, Sep 14, 2008 at 07:28
Your Bushranger Max should be sufficient to
seat the bead.
But I would remove the valve from the tyre on the first air fill,
seat the bead then replace the valve for the final pump-up.
This gives a lot more air flow into the tyre to
seat the bead.
Geoff.
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Follow Up By: richard - Sunday, Sep 14, 2008 at 10:22
Sunday, Sep 14, 2008 at 10:22
Geoff,
I didn't try that - will give it another go - just for fun :)
Well may be not but was a great day here yesterday and just good to be outside doing something - not as nice today.
Richard
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