What am I Missing ?

Submitted: Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 00:01
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Hi All
What a great forum this is, I have started reading it everyday so much good info. Any way enough crap here is the questions.

I am shortly taking delivery of a new 78 series RV Troop Carrier 4.2 T/D.
And am intending to fit the following gadgets to it as I, to have caught the 4wd travel bug.

ARB Steel Bull bar with winch, should I fit 10 or 12,000 lb model ?
ARB Duel battery system.
ARB Roof Rack.
ARB Air Lockers. Front & Rear. Yes or No ?
Tow bar.
I am refitting from my existing 78 series before trade in my existing Milford barrier / Driving lights / Overhead console / BFG All Terrains.

Will also fit a UHF, engel fridge, GPS and sat phone.

The 64 dollar question is (If I have $64 left) what am I missing what else should I fit.
I would welcome any suggestions / comments as to any of the above or the troopy in general.
I also expect that ARB will do me a very good deal with a sale like this.

Regards
John

P.S My existing 2000 model 78 series Petrol / LPG has only 37000 km on the clock if anyone is interested in buying it before I trade it.

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Reply By: Allyn (Pilbara) - Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 02:23

Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 02:23
Wheels Man- You gotta have big wheels !!!

Seriously - I'm looking at the very same animal and also have a mate with one and the only thing I would add to that list is bigger wheels & tyres (maybe drawers too)so many places, so little time !!!
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Follow Up By: John - Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 17:54

Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 17:54
Allyn Thanks for the reply.
The BFG Allterrains that I have have been excellent and no problems insurance or otherwise.
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Reply By: Member - Chris- Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 08:40

Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 08:40
Dont count on ARB giving you a great deal with a large purchase. At recent 4by Shows we ordered much the same and found other re sellers of ARB products far more interested in discounting than ARB themselves.
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Follow Up By: John - Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 17:56

Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 17:56
Thanks Chris thats very interesting info.
My initial thought was that ARB may deal but I will certainly consider the 4wd shows I think we have the Melbourne one coming in October.
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Reply By: Member - Bob - Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 09:57

Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 09:57
I know it comes down to personal choices but I would tend to do it bit by bit. This way you can work out what you really need while using the vehicle, as opposed to what you thought you might need. The other thing I find is that doing at all at once is like woofing a nice meal - spread it out and prolong the enjoyment.
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Follow Up By: John - Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 17:58

Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 17:58
I dont disagree with you Bob but I don't realy have the time to spend running all over the place for each item. Just get it done is how I am.
Thanks for the reply
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Reply By: chopper - Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 10:55

Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 10:55
Have you considered factory lockers rather than air lockers??

Have a look at a Hydraulic winch, they go forever!

What's this affinity to ARB??

IMHO, the best battery isolators come from specialist electronic people, not TJM or ARB, (and I've got a TJM one.) Everyone with rotronics seems very happy.

With all of this, you'll go anywhere.

Why doesn't everyone own a diesel troopy? They obviously don't know what they are missing!
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Follow Up By: John - Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 18:06

Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 18:06
Hi Chopper
What do you know about Toyota factory lockers, any info you have would be appreciated, Info on them seems few and far between.
The new one is ordered and I could still add factory lockers if i make a decision real quick.
ARB stuff has a good reputation or so I thought, It seems some of the replys I am getting are making the opposite point.
I have had a couple of petrol troopys, my business uses them, this is the first diesel as the troopy is no longer avaliable in petrol, so I will be interested in comparing the two.

My prior troopys have not been set up as I am intending to set up this one, as I said I have caught the bug.
Thanks for the reply.
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Follow Up By: chopper - Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 18:36

Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 18:36
John, are you on Troopyoz on Yahoo groups, i have Lock rights (which I have no complaints about and believe to be just as good as air lockers, Locked is locked.) I know a few blokes on there have factory lockers.

troopyoz
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Follow Up By: John - Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 19:43

Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 19:43
Chopper what an idiot I am I did not even give a thought to Troopyoz
Will list the questions now.
Many Thanks.
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Follow Up By: Janset - Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 19:48

Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 19:48
John.

If you are looking for good gear, then go for a turbo, preferably an inter-cooled turbo. Costly, but the best investment that I have made so far. With an inter-cooled turbo over the Dyno I get a 42% increase in power at the max torque range

A winch? I will possibly get howelled down hear but here goes anyway.

They are heavy and costly, they are not water proof and need servicing ASAP after immersion. I took a tip from a SES volunteer who told me the most of THEIR use for a winch is during practice. I have been in a 4WD club for 14 years and have only had a need of a winch on 3 occasions and that was with club events when we drove into and through areas that only appear in your night mares. There is always a club member dying to use his/her winch to help you. Most places you can get snatched out of.

I would definitely go for the twin lockers. ARB. The factory ones I am told (again buy that same SES volunteer....12 years experience) are slow to engage and at times when most needed they hang up.

hope this helps.

Regards
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Follow Up By: John - Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 20:06

Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 20:06
Hi Janset
I did say this was a great site, the feed back and discussion on my original questions have been very helpful.

I have ordered the RV Model Troopy only comes in a Turbo model.
If you don't want turbo,(why I don't Know) you would have to order the base model. No CD player carpets electric windows etc.
Check out Toyota web site for the model comparison.
Good comments on the winch.
Interesting about the factory lockers.

Regards
John
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Follow Up By: Janset - Sunday, Jul 27, 2003 at 19:45

Sunday, Jul 27, 2003 at 19:45
Hi John.

You can see I am a bit behind the times as far as models are concerned. I still run and will do, a '92 turbo troopie until the day that I die. I have put all the whistle and bell on that I think that I may need, and that is it. It has only 135,000 K's on the clock and lives in a garage when not used, so no rust.

You may want to think about a long range fuel tank if you have the room. I have a 140 litre after the rear axle. My last long trip with fuel experience was from Yalara to Kalgoorlie without refueling, and when I did a rough calculation I could possible just have made it to Coolgardie.

Regards
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Follow Up By: John - Sunday, Jul 27, 2003 at 20:21

Sunday, Jul 27, 2003 at 20:21
Hi Janset
Troopie's are now fitted with two 90 litre tanks. (180 L total)
Most seem to think that that would cover most trips, I will also carry a couple of jerrys if on a particularly long trip.

Mate if your 92 turbo is doing the job and your happy then why change.

Regards
John
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Follow Up By: Janset - Sunday, Jul 27, 2003 at 20:33

Sunday, Jul 27, 2003 at 20:33
Hi John.

My model was the one that had only one tank up front and the spare was where my L/R fuel tank is now.

As for meeting my needs, I think I would trade my wife before I traded my troopie.

I had better post this quick before she sees it. :-)))

Regards
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Reply By: diamond (bendigo) - Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 16:31

Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 16:31
gday john.
couple of things arb/any one else probly wont give you a big disccount they will just be rubbing theres hands,i didnt work for arb i worked for another company for 10yrs.as said above fourby shows are usualyy better.
and you didnt mention suspention upgrade that would be my first thing.new job coming so no fraser this time:-((
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Follow Up By: John - Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 18:08

Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 18:08
Diamond What do you suggest in regards to suspension ?
4wd shows it is.
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Follow Up By: diamond (bendigo) - Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 18:47

Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 18:47
gday john.
when it comes to suspention your going to open a big can of worms.
my self i use pedders coils.
50mm lift front and rear.heavy duty front and heavy duty rear with 50% increase.that means it will take a lot more load on the rear before they start to sag .
i use plain old monroe gas magnum shocks front and rear and they have never let me down 2yrs old and done a fair bit of off road.
most of my off road is just weekends away .
new job coming so no fraser this time:-((
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Reply By: Member -BJ (Sydney) - Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 16:52

Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 16:52
Mate of mine just took his RV Troopy to the Gulf with us. He has factory lockers in his but i don't think you can get them after market. He got basically same as you only different brands except he also has Drawes & extra leaf in rear springs & is completely happy.Regards Bob
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Follow Up By: John - Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 18:10

Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 18:10
BJ any info on the factory lockers would be appreciated.
Thanks.
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Follow Up By: Member -BJ (Sydney) - Sunday, Jul 27, 2003 at 10:35

Sunday, Jul 27, 2003 at 10:35
Sorry John don't have any info , mate ordered them when ordering car from Japan . He recons factory lockers the best.Regards Bob
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Reply By: Member - Russell - Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 18:01

Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 18:01
John,
Good to hear that you enjoy the site, and good luck with your purchase. I just wanted to encourage you to support the site by becoming a member! Doesn't cost much and the value is certainly there. Apologise for the ad - I get nothing from it! - but the more members the more viable the site is.
CheersRussell S
Prado RV6
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Follow Up By: John - Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 18:11

Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 18:11
Thanks Russell I will look into that.
Regards
John
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Reply By: John - Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 18:12

Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 18:12
Hi All
Thanks for the reply's.
Diff locks front and rear ?
Nobody has made any comments ?
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Follow Up By: Allyn (Pilbara) - Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 19:55

Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 19:55
with ARB at least you have compressor too.
I have Lockrites and no problems but air lockers would certainly be on my wish list if in your situationso many places, so little time !!!
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Follow Up By: Martyn (WA) - Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 21:19

Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 21:19
John,
I have diff locks front and rear in my GQ, when the going gets tough you would how you ever got by without them. I do find that I take on more challenging terrain now I have air lockers and sometimes get myself into places where I wouldn't normally look at, and as luck would have it I usually get out. When I've been on my own and got into some sticky situations getting out has been a lot easier I believe.
Interesting in sand, the good thing about air lockers I find is that there are sometimes when you don't want everything locked like when trying to turn a corner, you can unlock the diff. As mentioned elsewhere you also get the air compressor, a handy tool. Keep the shiny side up
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Follow Up By: John - Sunday, Jul 27, 2003 at 02:23

Sunday, Jul 27, 2003 at 02:23
Hi Martyn
Thanks for the comments, as I am normally traveling on my own is the main reason for setting the vehicle up as described to allow me to be largely independant and hopefully get out of any situations via my own steam.
Can you explain your comments in regards to sand ?
Many thanks.
John
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Follow Up By: Janset - Monday, Jul 28, 2003 at 20:29

Monday, Jul 28, 2003 at 20:29
Hi John.

I wrote an article a short while back relating to the disadvantages of an auto diff locker in loose sand and mud. I had a Detroit fitted to the front.

In a nut shell, in beach sand with as locked diff when you turn both wheels travel at the same speed, result, one wheel turns the other acts like a bull dozer blade pushing sand until the sand mound gets that big that it stalls the vehicle. Also, as in most circumstances, when leaving a beach, half way up the exit track there is always a left or right turn. With the diff locked up, you go straight on instead of turning.

If you ease off on the throttle so that the diff can dis-engage, the vehicle looses momentum and stops. If you stop in loose beach sand and then try to take off, instead of the wheels walking their way out, they both dig in usually resulting in getting bogged.

In mud, steerage is next to nil.

This is why I removed the auto locker from the front diff.

I now have an LSD in the front and an air locker in the rear. The ideal way to go is to have an air locker in both.

You may ask why I have the LSD in the front, reason,I managed to get a good deal fro Detroit for a change over when I told them of my problem. Too good to pass it up and I could not afford to go into an air locker at the time, which came to the rear wheels later on in time.

Regards
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Follow Up By: Martyn (WA) - Monday, Jul 28, 2003 at 20:35

Monday, Jul 28, 2003 at 20:35
John,
When on the beach going in a straight line it's great when you come to turn the turning circle is huge in comparison to what it is normally is. If you have either vacuum or pressure activated lockers you can disengage the locker and this will allow you to turn normally, with both rear wheels driving and locked the front wheels act as a sand / snow plough tryin to push the sand forward, this is the main reason I didn't go for one of these constant locked diffs, like the Detroit locker, when you try to turn they will remain locked, depending on where the water is in relationship to your position the whole event can get a bit frightening.
If you don't do a lot of sand work it's not worth worrying about, if you do it's something to be aware of. The sales people usually forget to mention this or play it down. As usual this is only my opinion, others will vary. Keep the shiny side up
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Reply By: Member - Leigh- Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 18:26

Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 18:26
Hi John, firstly I wish you well with your troopy...a top choice and I'd like to think my TD lux grows up to be as big one day. For what its worth I found the Toyota dealers will provide ARB/TJM etc gear at "cost" (fleet buyer) and the prices quoted to me were most attractive. They seem to have "preferred" local suppliers (not necessarly at ARB/TJM outlets) who supply and fit these products. I was happy with the arrangement and wish I had purchased more accessories on initial purchase of the vehicle. I sure will next time. Worth a call particularly if you are buying in a large city where there is some competition. Cheers
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Follow Up By: John - Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 19:41

Saturday, Jul 26, 2003 at 19:41
Hi Leigh
Thanks for the info i will ask the dealer to quote on what i want and see how they shape up will let you all know.
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