Caravan Weights
Submitted: Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:16
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Member - Daryl C (VIC)
I have just bought a new caravan/camper.
The plates indicate that I can load 300kg of additional weight.
What governs the additional weight allowance?
2 x 90 litres of
water = 180kg
2 x 4.5kg gas bottles = 19kg
1 x 20 litre of fuel for the Generator = 20kg
100ah gel deep cycle battery = 45kg
1 slab beer = 9kg
Total so far approx 273kg
Will I be able to keep food, clothing, hygiene, cooking, crockery & cutlery, TV, porta potti, solar panel awnings, etc etc under 27kg?
Can I add heavier springs & carry a bit more if needed?
The tow vehicle could tow nearly 1,000kg more than the allowed weight of the van.
Reply By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:50
Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:50
Daryl,
I hear you and agree that the available capacity is not nearly enough. We have loaded what amounted to over 900Kg in/on our camper trailer. I think the only way to keep it legal and away from any potential insurance issue is to have it rerated with a new plate and all. It truly amazes me when the manufacturers do this (and I've been caught with my camper as
well) it is almost like they have no idea or don't care.
I hope someone else has a better option.
Kind regards
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Reply By: Member - Bob C (NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:13
Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:13
Hi Daryl
I recently had a similar problem with a caravan.When i got it home and put it over a weighbridge discovered it 80kg over tare weight,so with both tanks and gas bottles full i had only 60kg of load available. After some advise to indicate that the unit was unsuitable for purpose intended and some negotiations with the dealer and manufacturer they changed the compliance plate to the correct weight and increased the ATM to as it's an off road van. It's worth complaining about as some just seem to think up a weight and hope for the best Good luck Bob
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Reply By: Tenpounder - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:37
Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:37
Hi there. You say "The plates indicate that I can load 300kg of additional weight." I suspect this means the Tare Weight shown on the plate is 300kg less than the ATM. If so, before you start adding up your 300kg, you should weigh the unit, because it is highly likely that the actual empty weight is more than the stated Tare Weight. I have read reviews in caravan magazines where the empty weight is within a few kg of the ATM, so the owner couldn't pack more than a can of baked beans before hitting the legal limit of ATM. Manufacturers seem to 'forget' that the accessores they are so good at selling all weigh something!!
Our caravan has an airconditioner (add quite a few kg) a
water tank (add 60 or so kg for the
water) a gas bottle (add about 20kg for a 9kg bottle), so the empty weight is
well over the Tare Weight.
A bit tricky.
Chris
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 14:51
Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 14:51
I bought a new camper trailer with a compliance plate stating the tare weight at 450kg, I was more than a little suspicious, so I put it over the weighbridge to find the actual unladen weight was 911kg.
With
suspension rated to 1 tonne, that let me either fill the
water tank, or the gas bottle, not both.
Needless to say, the trailer went back!
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Reply By: Neil & Pauline - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:52
Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:52
My new van weighed 400kgs more than the plated ATM before we put anything in it. What this means is that I had to remove 50kgs to make it legal. No room for
water, clothes food etc.
Solution, "just change the compliance plate. We can send you a replacement one". The whole thing is a farce in my opinion.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 14:58
Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 14:58
I had a similar problem and got the van recomplianced.
However it involves more than just a new plate.
I had to have it inspected by an engineer who looked at the
Chassis limit (2500kg), brakes limit(3000kg)
The wheel bearings (3000kg) the tyres ratings, The spring ratings.
The result being its ATM got increased to a maximum of 2800KG
and to get that I have to a have a ballweight of just over 300kg
to keep within the chassis limit. Prev ATM 2564kg.
This was because the Tare came in at 2300kg when the plate
read 2164kg but the van had 2 solar panels and twin batteries
added after it was bought originally.
As they say above weigh it empty and see what it really weighs.
Problem is today that have a claim and the first thing the
insurance do is weigh the whole rig including you to see if its all
legal
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Follow Up By: Neil & Pauline - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 15:22
Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 15:22
I agree that it should involve more than just another compliance plate. With the manufacturer being the inspection agent and self regulation we get less than desirable outcomes.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 15:27
Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 15:27
I would be very careful if they do that and make sure all what I had done complies as its too late to find out when the proverbial hits the fan
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 17:07
Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 17:07
This is a serious issue in the caravan industry and a major trap for those not aware of it.
There seems to be no industry standard and no regulation.
It seems that many companies are relying on the ignorance of most caravan purchasers and don't care much about the safety and legal issues or providing an item 'fit for purpose'.
Only regulation and serious penalties will fix this problem.
We have just picked up our new Kedron. Although I have not yet weighed it myself, I did ask about the TARE and 'dry' ball weight. I was assured they were correct and included all factory fitted accessories. Even included one of the gas bottles being full (don't know if this is standard or just a matter of timing of when the weighing was done).
TARE is 2650 KG and ATM 3500 KG, so I have reasonable room to move. But will need it all as 30 HP outboard is going on draw bar and 65 KG folding boat trailer on the back. And that's before Kathryn starts packing her stuff.
Norm C
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Reply By: Ozboc - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 17:49
Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 17:49
you may need to review your list -you have beer as the last option -- ti should be in #1 position , but if you looking to save weight - try a bottle of rum or bourbon and coke :)
Boc
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Reply By: neil&brenda - Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 20:39
Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 20:39
Have just gone through the same problems. We calculated that we could pack one pair of underpants each and a pair of thongs. Look out for the
well tanned pair coming to a caravan
park near you!
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