Monday, Jul 28, 2003 at 01:00
hey paul,
with diesel they blow a black smoke when they are overfuelling.under load as the trucks do or if they have injector or
fuel pump problems. it isnt a worry as it is far better for a diesel to overfuel that underfuel. underfuel is evident when you see white smoke.usually occurs when you first start it when the engine is cold.
one thing i didnt mention was you may also have a dirty air filter.that also causes black smoke.oh and dont forget the
fuel filter.and finally you may have a
tank full of dirty
fuel and or old oil.
yes i know so many things that can cause black smoke. i suggest you start with the easy stuff.
i would check and/or change the air filter and
fuel filter. give the troopy a run and then fill up.see what happens. then do an oil change and oil filter change. or maybe do them all in one hit. if still black smoke then the injectors would be the next thing to do. its mega expensive. cost around $80 to $100 per injector to overhaul/replace.its a specialist job. diesel needs the injectors serviced/replaced every 100,000 klms or so. so if your troopy hasnt had the injectors done in the last 100,000 may be time to do them. before you do, a cheaper option is to put a good quality injector cleaner in your
fuel tank. that can do the trick if the injectors are blocked and may saves you hundreds. as for a good injectore cleaner i am not sure.you would need to ask around.
then finally if you are still getting excess black smoke its time to do the injector pump. kiss goodbye $1000 at least.
that all said, i need to do
mine but havent bothered.a bit slack. you should expect some black smoke especially when the engine is cold. and diesels take a good 10 minutes to warm up properly. i feel sorry for those behind me when i drive for the first 10 minutes of the day. they are driving in a mist of black diesel smoke. mind you my pump needs overhauling. everything else has been done over the years.
that all said dont be too fussed.old troopies always blow black smoke.normal wear and tear of the engine ensures that. i find some diesel
fuel brands make it worse and some make it hardly noticeable.also the oil you use can play a role.just need to experiment with the
fuel in mt isa. As for oil i use either
mobil,
caltex, shell or
ampol. I find they reduce smoke, dont burn much under load and tend to keep oil pressure up and engine temperature down.
so i hope that helps a bit. just one thing. i would strongly suggest that you put a diesel
fuel additive in everytime you fill up.one that has a lubricant in it to replace the sulpher that has been removed. prior to 2003 diesel
fuel had sulphur to act as a lubricant.(same as lead in leaded
fuel).this year diesel formula was changed to low sulpher content.thus no lubricant. for people with post 1994 injector pumps or one that have been rebuilt post 1994 this isnt a problem. for those with pre 1994 pumps the new
fuel corrodes the seals in the pump and you have leakage problems. using the additive adds the lubricant ala the stuff they put in leaded vehicles. also the additive is good for safeguarding against dodgy diesel.
anyway i am going on and on and on and on.
go the troopy
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Follow Up By: Paul - Monday, Jul 28, 2003 at 22:54
Monday, Jul 28, 2003 at 22:54
Peter,
I changed the
fuel filter, oil etc when I first got the Cruiser and the smoke looks definately blue not black. Probably is worn rings although I can't understand as I mentioned earlier why it doesn't show the other symptoms such as smoking more instead of less when it heats up and so on. By the way, it starts from cold just about straight away. I should get the last problems with it sorted out this weekend and have it on the road in a fortnight or so and hopefully get to the bottom of the problem then. I'll probably have other problems to worry about as
well after that like the diff pinion flange nut that I discovered was only finger tight when I replaced the seal. There is no telling what damage has occurred there.
Paul
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Follow Up By: Peter - Tuesday, Jul 29, 2003 at 03:22
Tuesday, Jul 29, 2003 at 03:22
paul,
I did some thinking and some research on this and other sites about the smoke. the blue smoke at cold start up is normal for older diesels. just the way they get with age. also diesel
fuel is very oily. thus when cold the engine doesnt combust as
well as it should and doesnt properly burn off the oil content in the diesel.thus your blue smoke. when the engine heats up burns it all and thus no blue smoke. just black smoke when under load.which is as mentioned before overfuelling.
also if you get heaps of black smoke under load that is injectors etc. do the injectors but the injector pump isnt a "must be done" thing. may be as easy as just adjusting the injector timing and/or the maximum
fuel flow screw on the injector pump.wherever that is.
funny you mention the flange nut being loose. i had the same problem. when my rear diff was rebuilt
the nut wasnt tightened properly.wasnt cold chiselled. it worked itself loose. i was getting a small clunking noise when i changed gears.just assumed it was normal noise from the tail shaft.
anyway some 100,000 klms later i happened to mention the noise to another mechanic and he had a noisy around and found the loose nut. around 20,000 odd klms later the diff bearing finally packed it in. the bearing noise was way obvious. being away from home i didnt get a chance to fix it for another 5000 klms. the bearings were absolutely rooted.BIG TIME. but the troopy kept going. the old troopies are bullet proof. go on for ever.
so anyway dont stress about the loose nut. you may get many thousands of klms out of the old beast yet.
by the way if you want to check out the old beast check out my internet site.
my site
go the troopy
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