Nissan Navara Blown Engine

Submitted: Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 16:38
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Hi Everyone!
Firstly, thankyou for the information I was able to access regarding the Nissan 3L engine and Nissan's refusal to honour its warranty. I want to add our story to the growing number of people with one of these lemons of an engine.
We bought our Nissan Navara in November 2005 and up to 20,000 kms, was serviced at the appropriate Nissan dealer. My husband, Ian, is a vehicle mechanic, a qualified Marine Engine Driver Grade 11 and a Master Class V. He has worked on ocean going machinery up to and including twin Caterpillar installation of 1150hp each and has instructed on the above. We live 700 kms west of Adelaide and there are no shops, buses, trains, taxis in our little town and because of the dusty environment, our vehicle has to be kept in A1 working order at all times. After the 20,000 kms, Ian did the servicing on our vehicle. The Nissan manual states that if there is no easily accessible Nissan Dealership nearby, then a copy of their service manual can be obtained by contacting Nissan. This implies that because of where we live, we are able to service our own vehicle.
On 15 July 2008, our engine blew after having only done 62,000 kms and boy! were we left high and dry by Nissan. When Nissan could not fault Ian's qualifications (and he is more highly qualified than any service technician or apprentice who would have serviced our vehicle at a dealership) they changed tack to say that it was the type of oil being used. Ian used only premium grade oils on the vehicle but Nissan says that only Nissan specialist oils can be used. What a load of old bull. When we took the car for the new engine's 1,000 service, the dealer (a Nissan Dealership) used Castrol oil - not Nissan branded oil.
Ian pulled the engine down (which Nissan did not do - we do not believe our complaint got any further than the customer service desk) and his conclusion to his report to the Office of Fair Trade says, "In conclusion, I submit that the cause of the failure of this engine was in fact, not anything to do with the type of oil used, who did the oil change or the distance travelled between the oil changes.
From my inspection of the engine, I believe that the malfunction of this engine was caused by its inability to remove heat build-up from the crown of the piston while being operated under load, causing the degradation of the piston material at or near the top piston ring. This resulted in these deposits being sprayed on to the cylinder walls."
As soon as we are able, we will be getting rid of this lemon of a vehicle. On the day we collected it from City Motors, Port Lincoln (whose management by the way stood by Nissan and not by us, even though we purchased the vehicle from them) another Nissan Navara came in with a broken piston and we have another friend whose Nissan Navara did its gearbox and clutch.
If a class action against Nisson is commenced, we would appreciate being told. I too shall send our story to Today Tonight and intend shortly putting an ad in The Advertiser asking for anyone with a similar problem and treatment by Nissan to contact me in order that we gather as much information as possible.
$12,188.00 out of pocket and represents one year's allocated pension from Ian's super. We are not happy.

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Reply By: Member - Mark G (NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 16:41

Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 16:41
CHRISTA

youve been shafted by nissan too eh?.........your not alone mate on that one.
they ( nissan) need to be raked over the coals for some of the bleep they do!!!!!!!
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 17:23

Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 17:23
SO what happened to Fair Trading?? Did you write to Nissan Aust and tell them you may start a class action or you may get on to a current affair program or did you write to Japan.. Do anything at all.. ?
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark G (NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 17:31

Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 17:31
MICHEAL

.........fair trading? what a complete waste of time those lot are!!
went to them for help regarding a problem i had with tha nav' while it was still under new car warranty, and they said they couldnt help me??? again.........their a JOKE!!!
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Follow Up By: Angler - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 17:54

Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 17:54
You are also wasting your time sending anything to the television stations. I have already done that and never even received a reply.

I would donate to a fund to sue Nissan even though my patrol has no problems to date.
If anyone on this forum has the ability to start up a class action and advertises it on all the various forms then the dollars would start to come in fairly quickly.

Fair trading are a lot like RVMA
(caravan manufacturers drinking club)

Pooley
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Follow Up By: Christa - Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:11

Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:11
Thankyou everyone for your responses regarding our blown Nissan 3L engine. To Michael of Moss Vale, our report would have only just arrived at the Office of Fair Trading so we are waiting on a response from them. Yes, after trying to correspond with Nissan and running into a brick wall with them, we did write to them telling them that we had run out of patience and that we were taking this further. No response from Nissan. Yes, we wrote to Nissan giving details of the premium oils used for servicing our vehicle. Again, no response, not even the courtesy of an acknowledgement letter. I also wrote to the oil company concerned and had a call from a very angry salesman from that company saying that we were not the first people to contact them with this complaint, we were just one of many. We now take the silence from Nissan to mean that they have no problem with the oil used for servicing our vehicle. Again, to Michael of Moss Vale, regarding handing over our money for the repairs to our vehicle. What were we supposed to do, both almost 60 and walk everywhere remembering where we live, an hour from Port Lincoln with no bus, train, taxi or tram services and a husband with Crohn’s Disease and associated medical problems? Besides, City Motors Port Lincoln refused to allow us to collect our car without first paying for the repairs. I do believe that City Motors Port Lincoln should have given us more support, as in researching this, I now know that other dealers have gone in to bat for their customers and had some good outcomes. But not City Motors Port Lincoln. Thanks everyone. We’ll keep you posted.
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Follow Up By: Ianw - Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 22:18

Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 22:18
Christa,
Nissan are quite specific with the oil required for use in the ZD30. From an earlier thread on this forum (26624) comes this Nissan Bulletin.


NISSAN MOTOR CO. (AUSTRALIA) PTY. LTD. ABN. 54 004 663 156
Locked Bag 1450, Dandenong South, VIC, 3164 Phone. (03) 9797 4111 Fax. (03) 9797 4400
www.nissan.com.au

The information in this bulletin should not be interpreted as a basis for claims unless so designated.

Part numbers referred to may not always be immediately available.

Always order parts from relevant parts information and not this bulletin.
First Published: 30th September 2004 Bulletin No: MA04-001
Recommended circulation

THIS INFORMATION IS CONFIDENTIAL TO NISSAN DEALERS ONLY

PRODUCT INFORMATION

Re: Revised Engine Oil Specification

Applied Model: Y61 & D22 Applied range: ZD30 Engines
Please be advised that the specification for the oil fill on the ZD30 has been revised. Engine
Oils that meet the specification listed below are the only oils that are permitted for use in the
ZD30 Engine.

Oil Specification: ACEA B3 or JASO DH-1

Nissan strongly recommend that a viscosity rating of 10W40 be used. For specific viscosity
relating to ambient temperature ranges please refer to the viscosity chart in the relevant
workshop manual.

Note: API CG-4 oils must never be used in the ZD30 engine.
To support the revision in oil specification, Nissan has developed a semi-synthetic 10W-40
engine oil that meets all the operational demands of this engine. The revision of the new oil
specification is retrospective and will apply to all ZD30 engines.
The oil will be available from Nissan Parts & Accessories in 5lt and 200lt quantities using the
following part numbers.
5lt - B3005-10W40PK
200lt - B3200-10W40PK
Authorised by:
R Bahn
Manager - Engineering Support
National Service & Engineer
ing Department


Anyone not using ACEA B3 oil of 10w40 viscosity is asking for trouble!

Ian
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Friday, Sep 26, 2008 at 19:46

Friday, Sep 26, 2008 at 19:46
Its interesting Ian, When i had my patrol serviced by a dealer last, i asked if they could throw in 5 liters of engine oil for top ups as i use a by pass filter. The plastic container looked like the Nissan 5litre bottle but no label.. hand written on the side with a white marker was "Diesel Oil", so they either buy it in bulk from Nissan or maybe where ever they get the best deal locally!! probably the latter. Michael
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Follow Up By: Ianw - Friday, Sep 26, 2008 at 22:43

Friday, Sep 26, 2008 at 22:43
Unless you service it yourself, you will never know what oil is put in your vehicle. Lets face it, who really trusts their service man ! They will put whatever oil is in their 200 litre drum at the time in your vehicle. And as a business, they will buy whatever is cheap at the time they need it. You must supply your own oil to them and insist they use it. They wont like it because they can charge $50 or more for 5 litres of their cheap oil. Business is business !!

Ian
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 19:13

Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 19:13
Hi Christa

Have 3 friends with Navara's (2 new) each has had engine issues mostly turbo problems.
The latest just had his turbo replaced without arguement under warranty at no cost and he hurriedly brought extended warranty.

I think the most sucessful line of approach is to quietly and persistently keep talking to Nissan whilst firming up on the details of your statement that castrol oil was used in your new engine.
An oil test verifying that statement will go a long way.

You do not have to use Nissan oil , but you do have to use equivalent.

In you note above I can't see what fair trading said or wether Nissan gave you any verifiilable reason as to why it failed. Even a written request to Nissan/dealer and a non reply supports your position.

I have found Nissan to be tough but fair with issues (I also had an engine replaced by them once at zero cost).




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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 20:33

Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 20:33
Im just really surprised that everyone that has had a major 3.0L failure hasnt joined together and put pressure on Nissan as one force. I would think its relatively easy with forums like this and nissan clubs and websites.. If that was my $12188.00 as above, i would be Extremely angry. I have seen many failed engines on this forum alone with odometers like 60,000 70,000, 80,000 ks, its unbelievable!!!! Yet nissan fail to see they have a problem, they only have to compare their own 4.2d, that do 500,000 ks no problems.. I had me 4.2tdi serviced last Thursday, the service manager who i know fairly well, asked me when i was going to get a new patrol, Told him never while they only have a 3.0L.. He took his eyes from the clipboard and looked at me, he said,,, No one wants a 3.0L...... My patrol has 245,000ks and my old 4,2TD my exwife still has, it has 400,000ks on it, Both engines, gearboxes and diffs have never been touched, and the old 99 GU model has gone in for a new clutch this week... after 400,000ks.. Thats reliability.. Is Nissan missing something here?? Michael
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Reply By: Member - Bradley- Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 22:26

Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 22:26
Nissan dont have a problem, because as far as nissan is concerned they are in the buisness of selling new cars, and people are still buying the 3.0 oilers, so hey, no problem.

Dealers are in the buisness of making a cut on the sale and making a motsa on servicing, and they have to struggle like buggery to get the OEM's to honour warranty work.

So as soon as you sign the sale contract nissan dont want to know you, dealers only want to know you if you are paying through the nose for a "handbook service", what a great set-up.

The only way to get nissan on board with these engines is if groups make enough noise worldwide to slow sales of this configuration to start with. Australia only isn't good enough because we are such a tiny portion of the global market for vehicles and alone we can't influence any OEM decisions.

And I really sympathise with Ian, I can overhaul an entire jumbo in my sleep, yet dealers too doubt my ability to do an oil change....
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Reply By: Alan S (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 23:02

Wednesday, Sep 24, 2008 at 23:02
My experience with Nissan Warranty is the complete opposite. In fact with out my informing nissan of a problem, they told me i had a problem with my gearbox and informed me next time it comes in for a service to allow a 3 day period as they were ging to remove it and rebuild it. And they did.

I had the tensioner replaced and there was no problem as well.

I learnt a lot owning a Triton how Manufacturers fix problems and i believe a lot comes down to dealers and there relationship to the manufacturer. With warranty's a dealer needs approval from the manufacturer before they start work so they can get paid. If the dealer goes in to bat for you you stand a good chance of getting resolution.

I bought my Mitsubishi from the DVG dealers and my Nissan from a AHG and irregardless of vehicle type AHG have provided better service and warranty than a DVG. I believe it comes down to dealers as well as the manufacturers.

Alan
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Follow Up By: donks1 - Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 08:24

Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 08:24
Spot on Allan

Donks
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Follow Up By: donks1 - Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 08:25

Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 08:25
Spot on Allan

Donks
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 08:27

Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 08:27
Yeh, I had a similar experience in late 2002 with my (then) Patrol wagon 4.2TD. I had the local Nissan dealer do a service for me because I'd just moved interstate (NSW to SA) and hadn't been able to bring my ramps and tools with me. I'd been doing all my own servicing except for the free 1000klm service (and I'm not even a mechanic....I'm a banker!!!). Also, I wasn't even recording all the details of my services in the handbook.....

Anyway, I had the dealer do a simple oil and filter change. When I went to pick it up the service manager asked me if I'd ever had any issues with the gearbox, and I said NO.

He informed me that they had checked the gearbox oil level and found that the oil was coffee coloured which indicated to him that the gearbox was about to let go.....apparently a common problem with the 2000 to 2001 model with the main spline not having been machined to it's specified full length where 5th cog goes on.

He OFFERED to replace the shaft and cog under warranty and said it would be a $3,500- job if I had to pay for it. They asked me to pay for the new gearbox oil which I was happy to do.

That was more a case of a great service manager than Nissan Australia.

Roachie
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 08:42

Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 08:42
What stuns me about Christa, from the origin of this post,that they handed over $12,188.00 to a business that took their $55,000 from the sale of a new vehicle and told them they had a 100,000 km warranty and then didnt stand by it. So the dealer made a cut from the sale of the vehicle and again on the fitting of a new motor that should have been under warranty. Who would do that when they didnt stand by them as a valued customer?
The old motor sound like it was repairable, why wouldnt you repair the engine. "blown up" doesnt really give you a feel of the total damage.
And Christa, why wait to see if others want to start a class action, start it yourself, gain some momentum, thats how things happen!! Michael
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Reply By: Member - AZOORC (SA) - Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:02

Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:02
Hi,
Below is just one of many unhappy Nissan owners you can find.
The 4wd club I am in has had 3 people suffer the same experience with their Patrols this year.
One of these guys had mentioned someone is trying to get a group together to form a class action.
Try google and see how you go.
If no luck let me know and I will see what I can find out.

Cheers.

"Hi.

I am another unhappy 2001 Nissan GU Patrol - 3l Turbo Diesel owner. Though this vehicle was regularly serviced (5,000km intervals because I lived in a remote area), rarely went "off-road" and was never thrashed, the engine blew just short of 150,000 km - no. 3 & 4 pistons. Rebuild cost $11,000 in Darwin, and I was informed that this was a common problem with this model - and that Nissan was well aware of the design faults (which were rectified with the next series). Also, since the rebuild and subsequent "running in", the performance of this vehicle has been very poor - has anyone else had a similar problem?

Having previously owned a 1994 GQ 4.2l Diesel in which I clocked up more than 400,000 faultless kilometres (60% off road), I thought that upgrading to the 3l GU (with less unsprung weight) was the way to go. How I regret that decision, and Nissan don't want to know about the problems with this model, or offer any help.

I have owned nine different Nissan vehicles (currently a 200SX as well as the GU Patrol) but I will never buy another! "
POSTED BY: DAVID MCINTYRE - PORT LINCOLN, SA, AUS 19 AUG 2008

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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 15:50

Thursday, Sep 25, 2008 at 15:50
Well i feel for the people who bought Patrols and Navaras with these problems but i think anyone that buys a 3.0L engined Nissan form this day on, needs their head examined or a guarantee of 300,000km engine life in writing. The only way to stop Nissan dishing up this crap ,is to stop buying them. Michael
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Reply By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Friday, Sep 26, 2008 at 06:57

Friday, Sep 26, 2008 at 06:57
Christa

Wow, All I can say is bloody hell Mate !

Try to do the right thing, and you are shafted..Apparently this is typical Nissan.... just have a severe case of "excuse-itis", as I call it.

If Nissan treat you like anyone else, you will be left high and dry..
Have you tried A Current Affair, and other like TV programs ? to try and embarrass the hell out of them.

I am sure that someone on this FORUM, has started the "Action Group", as indeed they should..
We had a Navara, and I sold it recently, never had a problem with it, ( touch-wood ). But I was relieved somewhat when I upgraded to a 4.2 TD Patrol.
Some people tell me I am crazy, as they are too thirsty. But that just keep on going, and that is more the point, they are super reliable .

Worst comes to worst, try dropping a Holden Rodeo motor in it..Isuzu diesel motors are probably the best around, for super reliability, and will be a whole lot less in $$$$$ to do so.

Good luck with the class action, but what do you drive in the mean time ?.....Stalling, and hiding from the truth, is apparently Nissans ploy.

Cheers Bucky


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Follow Up By: Member - graeme W (WA) - Saturday, Sep 27, 2008 at 18:22

Saturday, Sep 27, 2008 at 18:22
Not Nissan related but when i tied to find out what oil Toyota were using the service guy said he could not tell me because their was nothing written on the drum.Guess that says enough.Now i supply my my own oil and as the car is now out of warranty i will do my own services.Had a hell of a battle to get them to change the fuel filter.They said if the light comes on contact a dealer.My reply was what from Docker River.Not enough space to list the problems i have had with my Hilux.

Graeme.
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Reply By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Sunday, Sep 28, 2008 at 07:55

Sunday, Sep 28, 2008 at 07:55
Christa, we have a Nissan Patrol 4.2 ute that 18 months ago broke a differential in the rear. Nissan diffs are renown for not coming apart and are used in competition vehicles so something had to be up. Our vehicle had been serviced by a Nissan dealer locally all along every 5,000km. The vehicle was 98,000kms old when the break up ocurred.

That has no bearing on a 3litre Nissan I know but I know you have to deat wilth Nissan Warranty people and to them it was a no-go area as it had gone past the normal warranty three years. It was seen as not a manufacturing fault. I had purchased an extended warranty after a Nissan offer however .The vehicle was 98,000kms old when the break up ocurred.

After lots of letters and phone calls to Nissan service and having sent ultimately the diff to Nissan, I had a call from Customer Relations. Val Davis is the manager there and they refunded car hire, accommodation around Port Augusta and the cost of repair. Those things were about half your stated cost but they ultimately paid it. I actually went to Not Good Enough too, online to state a case. You need to register to gain access.Link here to NGE

It took some anguish waiting as I know yours is to you and five months to get them to recognising the issue with us. Best of luck with them.
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Reply By: Christa - Monday, Sep 29, 2008 at 15:11

Monday, Sep 29, 2008 at 15:11
Again, thankyou to everyone for your support. You have no idea how much it has helped. JohnR (Vic) I have registered with NotGoodEnough.com and will also post our story there. All our correspondence has been to Val Davis at Nissan. We will be trading the Navara in this Friday and are buying a small Isuzu truck which can be driven on a normal driver’s licence and after all the angst lately, are really excited about picking it up. Ian agrees that the Isuzu engine is one of the best and guess what? Isuzu has given him permission to service it apart from the major services at 60,000 and 120,000 kms. In fact, NE Isuzu treated us like royalty spending several hours in the service department, workshop, etc so that we could see for ourselves their commitment to customer service. Bucky (Vic) you asked what we were driving while the new engine was installed. The only friend we have had through all this was the young head mechanic at City Motors Port Lincoln who stated to Nissan HO right from the start that our engine should have been repaired under warranty. He made sure we had a service car while ours was out of action and I am certain he went against management to give us this because in the first instance, management refused and then when we got home with the service vehicle, we received a call from a rather demanding young woman asking us to return it. I got a little agro at that point. IanW … seems like a coverup to me. Anyway, thankyou again everyone. We feel as though we have found a whole bunch of new friends and we’ll keep you posted.
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