Is using a set of scales to measure wheel bearing pre load a good system?
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Member - G N (VIC)
Hi all again
I read about using a set of scales to set wheel bearing pre loads and i thought this sounded like a simple and precise way to do this.
Is this a good system and what kg would be required, pulling from a wheel stud.
Regards
GN
Reply By: Lex M - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 19:20
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 19:20
From Yota manual.
Tighten hub nut to 59 Nm.
Rotat hub to
seat bearings.
Loosen hub nut 1/6 turn.
Attach spring gauge to stud and measure turning torque.
Tighten hub nut to 25 Nm, install lock plate and lock nut to 47 Nm.
Spring gauge and measure turning torque. Should be 10 to 38 N more than previous reading. Adjust the nuts as necessary.
I find it quite tricky to get a consistent reading on the spring gauge.
(Or do what the "pros" do and do it up with a rattle gun.)
cheers
Lex
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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 19:40
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 19:40
Hi Lex
thanks for info
so the spring reading just needs to be 10-38 more than what ever the 1st reading was?
I asume the N is Nm for the spring? can this be converted to just plain kilograms for a std set of scales?
Regards
GN
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Follow Up By: Lex M - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 19:54
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 19:54
N is newtons.
I believe the conversion required is (from onlineconversion.com)
1 newton = 0.1019716213 kilogram-force
10-38N = 1-3.8 kilogram force.
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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 20:24
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 20:24
Thanks again Lex
so the 1 - 3.8kg is the amount above the 1st reading as you say so your reading may
well be similar to the below system?
This seems to be similar to what i found with google as follows
Torque inner nut to 40-45 ft/lbs.
Rotate hub a couple of turns each way by hand and then re torque to 40-45 ft/lbs.
Then loosed til finger tight, then retension to 10-17 ft/lbs.
Then check pre load with scales on a wheel stud and should be about 6 – 12.5 lbs (2.5 to 5kg) to make the hub rotate.
Does this seem right?
Regards
GN
ps i have had enough of "experts" who cannot remember to tighten bolts or do the whole job properly, which is unfortunate as i would rather not be doing this my self but atleast i know it will not fall to bits up hthe bush because they leave nuts loose etc etc etc
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Follow Up By: Lex M - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 20:37
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 20:37
Seems about right but that retorque 40-45 is about 50-60 Nm. Seems tight but I guess it varies for different bearing etc.
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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 20:44
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 20:44
mmmmm you may be right on the bit tight, i will keep any eye on this.
The info i found was a bit confusing as at times it was quoting the vehical as a "mini truck" and at other times a "landcruiser" so this is also why i was sus on the specs, but did like the system of measuring to determin pre load.
Many thanks for your help Lex
GN
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Reply By: mechpete - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 20:33
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 20:33
adjust the bearing nut up to the no shake position and lock it up
so simple !! a bit of free play will not hurt
mechpete.
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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 20:36
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 20:36
Hi Pete
You are probably right but have seen a couple of bearings fail and on vehicals that were "supposedly"
well maintained, have been told that a bit of play will soon lead to issues on seriously rough corregated roads.
This is why i am wondering if maybe a bit of pre load is a better way to go?
What do you recon?
Regards
GN
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Follow Up By: Lex M - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 20:52
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 20:52
Bearings are hardened steel surfaces running together. Play in the bearings allow them the hardened surfaces to hit together. This can eventually lead to failure.
Google "bearing preload" and have a look at some of the bearing manufacturers sites re bearing life and preload.
Heres a sample
SKF
There are several more available.
eg
Timken
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Follow Up By: Member - 1/2A - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 21:09
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 21:09
If you are applying a torque on
the nut you need to bring into the calculation the length of the spanner otherwise you'll over torque
the nut.
The force applied to a lever multiplied by its distance from the lever's fulcrum, the length of the lever arm, is its torque
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Follow Up By: Lex M - Wednesday, Oct 01, 2008 at 11:18
Wednesday, Oct 01, 2008 at 11:18
That's why you use a torque wrench.
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Follow Up By: Member - 1/2A - Wednesday, Oct 01, 2008 at 15:26
Wednesday, Oct 01, 2008 at 15:26
Exactly
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Reply By: mechpete - Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 22:01
Tuesday, Sep 30, 2008 at 22:01
I,ve allways ran my patrol with a small amount of freeplay in the brgs and never had a bearing failure in any car or my 4wds and it travels most of its Ks on the dirt .
mechpete
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