Landcruiser

Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 30, 2003 at 20:03

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farmer

I currently own a 3L TD hilux and have been thinking of trading it on a TD cruiser. The main reasen for this is because the two kids are getting too long in the legs for the back of the double cab.
I went for a test drive in 100s GXL none turbo ( one 50,000km ) yesterday and found it a bit sluggish but other than that very good to drive.
Today I drove 100s GXL TD (71,000 km ) and found it quite a bit more towey but no where as towey as my hilux. Both of these GXL would no doubt be better touring vehicles than the hilux.
Questions
1.What fuel consumption would you get in a none TD? What in a TD?
2. Would the none TD pull a one tonne camper van better than the TD hilux even in very sandy conditions with out much variation in fuel consumption? The hilux pulls the camper very easily but the fuel consumption does increase quite a bit.
I know the TD cruiser would be the better towing vehicle but I just would like to cover all bases first..

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Reply By: Eric - Wednesday, Jul 30, 2003 at 21:22

Wednesday, Jul 30, 2003 at 21:22

I work as a wholesaler in Melbourne and have driven all of the above . Your 3 L TD is very hard to beat in the power and towing department , If you opt for a TD GXL you will find it more than powerfull enough to tow your camper , a upgrade in intercooler can help imensly . If you are thinking of a Auto , you may want to thing again , gutless is a understatement . I drove a non TD GXL and I think I would prefer walking . If you must buy an auto , make sure you have enough money left over for a upgrade intercooler , boost the turbo and a mandrel bend exaust wouldnt go ustray . My opinion anyway

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Follow Up By: Big John (QLD) - Wednesday, Jul 30, 2003 at 21:43

Wednesday, Jul 30, 2003 at 21:43

Eric
You are correct with what you say about boosting the power of the TD as I said in my reply I have fitted the exhaust, boosted the turbo and fitted the Dtronics chip but not upgraded the intercooler. You are better off not touching the intercooler as the main problem is the turbo lag(low speed where the intercooler is hardly required.) By fitting the Dtronics chip and setting it up on a dyno you can adjust the fuel injection and improve the low down grunt. My dyno recordings show a 35% increase in power and torque with max torque now at 1800 Rpm and not 2500 rpm.

john

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Follow Up By: Member - Peter [SA] - Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 17:29

Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 17:29

Gee id like to see a td hilux pull a GENUINE 1 TONNE CAMPER very easily even in very sandy conditions. Are we talking a bit of sand blown over a bitumen road here or what? Call me cynical but id like to see it.

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Follow Up By: Eric - Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 17:49

Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 17:49

well if you see a 3 l TD do it in a Patrol why wouldnt you see it in a little tine weenee Hilux????

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Reply By: Big John (QLD) - Wednesday, Jul 30, 2003 at 21:23

Wednesday, Jul 30, 2003 at 21:23

Farmer'
Is the TD auto or man? I have a manual 100Series TD and tow a Kimberley camper. The Manual suffer from a little turbo lag when under heavy load, the autos tend to handle it a little better. This Can be over come by using low range when in tough off road going. When on the black top or normal off road tracks the turbo lag is no problem.
Fuel consumption non towing is 13 to 14 Lts/100 and towing about 18Lts/100. My mates non TD 80series users non towing about 12 to 13 Lts/100.
When it comes to towing the non TD is not in the race, The DT has all the power in the world over 1800 rpm. The Turbo lag can be nearly totally eliminated by fitting a Dtronics chip , 3" exhaust and a couple of other odds and sods ($3000) this raises the 151Kw to 203Kw

Regards john

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Follow Up By: farmer - Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 10:38

Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 10:38

Thanks Eric and John for your replys.
The two GXL's I drove were manuals. The price of the 2000 TD was $57,000 and the none TD was a 2002 at the price of $ 50,000 ???
I thought the TD economy might have been a bit better than that John ? Depends on the conditions though. Do all GXLs after 2000 have stainless steel exausts ?
The camper I have is a Trak Shak and I usually carry 60 L of water and 120 L of diesel when we do our long trips up north. As I only get about 450 km to 490 km in a tank full the extra fuel is needed. With the cruiser's big fuel tanks the extra fuel would not be needed.
Fuel consumption when towing in the hilux has been between 14 to 18 Lts/100

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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 18:12

Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 18:12

Farmer
Ther has been alot of talk of bad economy in these t/d cruisers. Apparently they are supposed to be common rail, but our fuel has too much sulpher, so we got the downspec motor. 2005 is the date set for the common rail i believe.
For towing, the old 97/8 t/d 80 series is hard to beat with 10km/l normal and 7 towing, oodles of torque too.
I you dont want to go back that far, how about a t/d Prado?
Andrew
wheredayathinkwer mike?

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Follow Up By: Big John (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 21:29

Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 21:29

Dozer,
The 80 series TD is not a patch on the new 100 series TD for towing (have had both) The 80 series fitted with after market turbos were not to bad. As for economy of the 100series TD it's not much different to the 80 series, I must admit I do drive fairly hard. My mate that we travel with has a 3lt TD patrol and over the same country and loaded about the same, he uses only about .5 of a lt / 100km less than us.

regards john

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