Recovery Points

Submitted: Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 11:23
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Just been down to my local 4x4 specialist to sort out a recovery points for my Rodeo. He didn't recommend the use of the Hayman Reece for snatching. His reason was that in an angled recovery the strap may be damaged or even cut where it exits the bar.

He pointed out the two reinforced eyes at the bottom front of the ARB bull bar, headed into the shop and came out with a big mother of a shackle. When I protested he said "No, those eyes are designed for snatching and there's no way that shackle is going to break, the strap will break first. I do competion work and I have no hesitation in using this method with this bullbar.

Boy, Am I confused.Hooroo
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Reply By: Luke - Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 12:26

Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 12:26
Hi Ray,

I have a great thing called a bush hook - about $55 I think from Total 4WD Centre in Epping Victoria. You take out the towball/toungue assembly from your hitch style tow bar, and instead of just using a snatch with the pin through it - you insert the bush hook. it is the (I think it's 50mm?) box tube that slides into the hitch receiver and the pin goes through it as normal - but instead of a towball it has a recovery hook on the back.

The whole unit is rated at 10,000lbs and works very very well.

I'll show you on the weekend :-)

I know of people with he skills and equipment fabricating things very similar to the bush hook, and I'm sure they work just as well, but for only $55 bucks it's a great option for those of us without the necessary gear to make such things, and I have peace of mind knowing that it has some kind of rating instead of me thinking - "yeah it looks strong".


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Follow Up By: Luke - Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 12:30

Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 12:30
Regarding front recovery points?

On my GQ SWB I successfully bent the hook on the front of the car bolted to the end of the chassis rail when doing an angled recovery recently.

It's all straightened out nicely now - but I'm not happy with this as a front recovery option. Thinking about some kind of rated hook or eye bolt atacched to the front of the vehicle. I'd welcome comments about front recovery ideas :-)


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Follow Up By: KG - Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 18:31

Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 18:31
to add more confusion to the issue...
i have an arb bullbar with the 2 holes in the front of the bullbar, either side of the winch mounting (i think these are what you are referring to... or maybe im talking about the wrong thing)
i took it down to arb southside in brisbane and dragged the guy into the carpark to have a look... he told me that they are not designed for recovery... they are for the high lift jack adaptor to bolt into. ive since seen the highlift jack adaptor he was talking about and yes that is where they mount... my bullbar already had pre-drilled holes underneath for 2 x recovery points (one in line with each chassis rail). i bought 2 x recovery hooks while i was there and they bolted straight on. for around 30 bucks you should be able to just bolt some hooks onto the bullbar.


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Reply By: JimB - Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 13:12

Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 13:12

I've been told that those hooks underneath are only there for tie down points when they are bringing the vehicles to Oz from O/S. Therefore one wouldn't imagine that they are very sturdy or capable of withstanding decent sorta recovery jobs ay.

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Follow Up By: Allyn (Pilbara) - Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 18:49

Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 18:49
from factory - yes ! But on ARB manufactured aftermarket bull bars they are there specifically for the recovery hooks to be fittedso many places, so little time !!!
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 15:36

Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 15:36
Ive used the Hayman Reece more times than I can think of, and once was when you dragged me out of Wombat!!

The Vic 4wd Association recommends and trains people to use the Towbar tounge pin, the one that holds the tounge into the bar. As I say Ive used mine probalby 50-100 times never bent a pin.

As for the front, lets look Saturday morning at it!

Other option is to try the local TJM shop if that was ARB. Or even just any 4wd shops in the area
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Follow Up By: Member - Wombat (Vic) - Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 16:10

Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 16:10
". . . once was when you dragged me out of Wombat!! "

It was a little uncomfortable for me though!"Live today as if there may be no tomorrow"

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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 17:25

Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 17:25
Lots of KY

Spoke to Alan local TJM man, when they fit bullbars to Rodeos, they usually either use the recovery points to mount the bar, or remove them.

But they should have recovery points on the bullbar that are suitable.>>


some places save a few $ and use playdoe bolts...
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Reply By: Member - Bonz (Vic) - Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 18:12

Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 18:12
we snatched a disco up a loooooong hill with shackles thru the eyes in the ARB bar, didnt break anything but elongated the eyes somewhat which in my mind is a precursor to breaking, I wouldnt be happy doing it, the Disco didnt have a rated recovery hook like the patrol has.

I was also taught to use the hayman reese pin with the strap up the hole, but i can see how it could damage the strap.

At T-man says SEEYA Satdy mawnin in AvocaSo many places to go!
So much work to do :0(
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Follow Up By: Luke - Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 23:12

Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 23:12
".....the Disco didnt have a rated recovery hook like the patrol has"

Hi Bonz....where is the rated recovery hook on the Patrol - is it the hook on myGQ SWB Maverick I bent? On the end of the right hand side chassis rail?

If so I'm not very confident about it's strength. Staright recovery has seemed to be OK on it - but an angled snatch bent it badly on flat ground though a little snow. Not a huge wasn't a huge angle either - the recovery vehicle was only a little off to the right.


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Reply By: Member - Toonfish - Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 23:05

Thursday, Jul 31, 2003 at 23:05
Luke the hitch recovery attachment sound ok for rear recovery (most common i guess) might need someone to get me one sometime in the future.
As fro ARB front eyes they are slightly above and centre on my car(navara) and i would not use one for that purpose and no recovery hook i have yet seen has the same distance between the chassis and recovery hook holes (i have triedarb , black rat, factory and pajero ones) . And i wont drill the chassis.
Still thinking , you think my brother the engineer/welder would help me out especially since the drought has made him quite of late, lol.

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Reply By: Dion - Friday, Aug 01, 2003 at 09:12

Friday, Aug 01, 2003 at 09:12
on the front of your Rodeo, you should still be able to use the original factory supplied recovery hook bolted to the RH chassis rail. If like the Gitsham Bullbar I had fitted to my R9 Rodeo, the original hook because of the angle and orientation of it fouls the bullbar mount is unusable because a snatch strap can't pass over the hook you have two options.
(1) Fit a rear recovery hook from current model Jackaroo's - they have correct hole spacing and hook is vertical, compared to the original angled horizontal hook of the Rodeo.
(2) Bitch like crazy to ARB, they shouldn't be producing a product that interferes or makes unusable the factory (options available) for recovery hooks.
For the rear, a factory towbar (made by Frontline and also same towbar a TJM option) will have a facility on the side bracket for fitting of original rear recovery hook.


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Follow Up By: Ray M (Vic) - Friday, Aug 01, 2003 at 17:31

Friday, Aug 01, 2003 at 17:31

On the underside of the RH chassis I can see a couple of deeply threaded holes next to where the bullbar mounts, would these be the recovery point mounts, threaded holes? No hooks anywhere so they have been removed.Hooroo
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