100 vs 105 series

Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 17:42
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What would your pick be out of a 100 series and a 105 series landcruiser.......been doin a bit of looking around and reading and it seems to me that a 105 series is basically a re-badged 80 series.

I like the idea of a 105 series more than a 100 series (yes Kev....I dont want a Darkie!)

Laura
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Reply By: stefan & 12 times Dakar winner - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 17:50

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 17:50
If I was to down trade to a Yota I would go the 105 myself.

as you said re-bodied 80, so tough as they come, not as smooth as an IFS I would guess. But easy to lift and fix ect.

A couple of months ago I saw a 03 105 GXL, 120000kms, Brand new gas conversion, years rego, log books ect.

For $23990 Plus it had been in the yard for a while so you would get them down on that price for sure.

Cheers Stefan
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Follow Up By: Kiwi & Grenade - Thursday, Nov 27, 2008 at 06:10

Thursday, Nov 27, 2008 at 06:10
how is the paj goin anyway Stefan???

yeah Ive seen some really good priced 100s and 105s, depending on their yr, they are the same trade in price etc according to redbook.
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Reply By: Member - Nick (TAS) - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 18:22

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 18:22
Limited to two options with each.105's very sluggish N/A diesel but bullet proof. 4.5 petrol, plenty of power, bit harsh on fuel but this is what I would go for if I was to replace our HZJ105.
100's, T/D-best diesel engine ever built.V8 petrol, silky smooth not to bad on fuel.100's IFS, 105's live axle.
All 100 and 105's bar the N/A diesel have strong gear boxes, the N/A diesel has a weak 5th gear if abused.Front diffs can be a problem in the IFS models if working hard in reverse or touching down a spinning wheel.
And yes, the 105's are pretty much a 80 series chasis on a new body.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tour Boy (Bororen) - Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:07

Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:07
Yeah I used to think that 100 = IFS and 105 = rigid, but My gxl has 100 on the tag and is rigid and dad's rigid also has 100 on the tags gxl as well. 98 and 04 models petrol and diesel.
My old 105 (in rig pic) had 105 on the tags 2000 petrol.
go figure
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Follow Up By: Member - Shane D (QLD) - Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 at 16:45

Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 at 16:45
100 is IFS
105 is live axle, regardless of trim level
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Follow Up By: Member - Tour Boy (Bororen) - Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 at 17:28

Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 at 17:28
Like I said That was how I always thought it was but as above My 98 GXL RIGID has 100 on the plate and dad's 04 GXL RIGID has 100 on the plate. My old 2000 RIGID had 105 on the plate.
I don't know why just stating the facts with our vehicles.
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Follow Up By: Krakka - Thursday, Nov 27, 2008 at 06:17

Thursday, Nov 27, 2008 at 06:17
Think you will find that is right, GXL n/a diesel is rigid front, as well as GXL petrol and n/a diesel standard wagon, I think also the RV 100s are also rigid front axle. My standard wagon has 105 on the plate, but the others above are all 100.
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Reply By: Member - Shane D (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 18:45

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 18:45
105 for me,
Vinyl floor, vinyl seats = hose out interior
Wind up windows
Solid front axle.
I'm not Anti electronics, I just don't really trust them, Of course there are plenty vehicles out there that don't give any trouble, but neither does my 105.
Can't get a factory Turboed 105, thats a BIG negative for me, STD deisel is just slow and thirsty for the power that you get, plus it's comes with a tinny gearbox, ANY other brand can offer more power and better feul economy, but are electronic.
It's not a rebadged 80 either, they do have common driveline components, but the body is different (4 inch wider).
IF I where to choose my favorite cruiser, it would be late 90's model T/D 80 series.
Full front axle, awesome motor (mechanical), headlight's you can get anywhere or easily upgrade, 6 stud wheels that have far more choice's .
These are my thoughts, others may like all the bling stuff, I like Basic.

Shane
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Reply By: Gone Bush (WA) - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 19:24

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 19:24
Hullo Kiwi,

personally I would go for the most recent model (factor in accessories of course) that your budget allows with a strong preference to a 5 speed auto, factory turbo 2005 or thereabouts GXL or VX.

LCOOL has a lot of good info with a section specifically relating to 100 series and its variants.

There are some good buys on Carpoint atm too (budget determining what "good" is of course).

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Follow Up By: cheetah - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 20:08

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 20:08
Why the 5speed auto preference. What puts you off the 4speed auto? Any known problems?. Just curious as i have a problem free 4speed.
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 21:47

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 21:47
Just a lot smoother.

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Follow Up By: Member - Serg (VIC) - Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 at 09:10

Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 at 09:10
GB,
IMHO highly depends what you plan to do with vehicle. If really going bush (in opposite to just tow caravan on bitumen) then as least for me front rigid axle mandatory. Thus it automatically crosses way too many never options. Plus getting older and cheaper car (with still plenty of life!!!) means that more money can be spend for mods. Also as one said scratch on my 12 y.o. cruiser is trophy, not a disaster as it would be with new shiny car, though last point budget dependent. Therefore if OP considering heavy 4WD, then 105 N/A diesel with aftermarket turbo would be my choice. Oh, and manual is mandatory, of course.

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Follow Up By: Kiwi & Grenade - Thursday, Nov 27, 2008 at 06:12

Thursday, Nov 27, 2008 at 06:12
only ever seen a 4 spd auto, well there you go, theres 5 spds out there!!
ben looking at lcool for info so that was good.
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Reply By: On Patrol & TONI - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 19:48

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 19:48
Soooo Laura, did you get your money back on the ZD30 ?????
Cheers Colin.

Function 105
Luxury 100
Cheers Colin.

PS, You can have both!!!!, with something like TONI, Function AND comfort all in one.
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Follow Up By: Kiwi & Grenade - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 21:33

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 21:33
not yet Colin but its going to be put to them VERY soon if we dont get our car back...it been 2 wks now!
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Follow Up By: Kiwi & Grenade - Thursday, Nov 27, 2008 at 06:15

Thursday, Nov 27, 2008 at 06:15
why change the motor?? we shoulda just kept the 80 series and turned her into a diesel...!! (dual fuel)
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Reply By: 3F62 - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 19:49

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 19:49
My preference is for the 105 (own a 2000 GXL) however more engine options with the 100....... I would look at how you intend to use the vehicle.......if "agressive" off roading is your plan go the live axle 105.....if touring with "moderate" off roading is your plan go the 100......both great vehicles in their own right.

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Chris
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Follow Up By: Kiwi & Grenade - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 21:35

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 21:35
true...we dont do aggressive off road anymore (as much I should say!)
BUT seeing how good the 80's are (and regret selling ours) Id be tempted to go the 105 series.....
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Reply By: Member - Axle - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 20:28

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 20:28
I can smell a Nissan thats," Gunna go a Missan"....lol.



Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Kiwi & Grenade - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 21:34

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 21:34
I can smell it go a burnin!!
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Reply By: Crackles - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 21:16

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 21:16
100 series Turbo diesel 5 speed auto would be my pick. Very capable & with a few mods can be transformed into a very capable all round offroader.
Check out the Wheel travel of this IFS if that's worries you.
Cheers Craig..........
HZJ105 Vic.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bob W (VIC) - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 21:40

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 21:40
Hi Crackles. I have a 1999 GXV. And would love to lift my IFS cruiser enough to fit 35s under it...!! Can you please tell me what suspension system this criuser used. And who fitted it in Vic ???
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 22:30

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 22:30
I believe those were custom specified King springs with Fox shocks. Darren at Autocraft in Geelong is your man. (52211371) Must say the system on that IFS does push the limits with some minimal touching of the gaurds on full travel. Not only does it flex well but the load carrying, comfort & handling is very impressive as well. Certainly changed my mind about both IFS & auto's after driving one.
Cheers Craig..............
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Follow Up By: Member - Bob W (VIC) - Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 at 20:20

Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 at 20:20
Thanks Craig, I'll give them a call.. Cheers Bob.
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Reply By: Canyon-ero - Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 at 09:34

Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 at 09:34
I have just recently bought a 105 series that had 115,000 km on the clock (September 2008) and so far am extremely happy with it. It is a 1999 model 6 clinder petrol. Besides being heavy on the fuel (averages 19-20 litres per 100km around the suburbs) I cant fault the vehicle. It is now 10 years old and has just hit 120,000km's (just had the major service done at a cost of $1200.00 - ouch!)

We have 2 bubs, (16 weeks and 16 months) and mostly want it for towing our camper trailer and fitting in all our gear and baby accessories when we go away on holidays. It cruises very comfortably on the highways, handles well for normal driving around town and goes quite well offroad. I have also just joined the Landcruiser club and completed their basic driver training course down near Goulburn - the car handled every track and task with ease, saying that it is only the beginners course! The car is pretty much stock standard at present - the only addition being a towbar but of course I have grand plans for what it will be in a couple of years time.

I really like the extra comforts inside as well and the dash and centre console layout appealed to me far more than the 80 series alternative we were looking at originally. We also decided not to get the 100 series because of advice regarding the IFS and were told that the solid axle is much better alternative when it comes to repairs and breakages.

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Follow Up By: Paul (WA) - Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 at 15:39

Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 at 15:39
I have had my 100 series from new.

No problems with any of the IFS components in 4 years and 65,00 kms, or anything else on the car for that matter (no warranty or other work required)

Actually, the only problems that has occurred was picked up in the recent major service. CV boots needed to be replaced and engine oil sensor failed.

Still on the original brake pads which have 10mm remaining.

And the V8 is a great engine. Very reliable

Very happy with the car whether on the bitumen, bush track or sand

Regards,

Paul
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Reply By: Rossco td105 - Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:11

Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:11
Hey Laura,

How about HZJ105 with engine trouble (at the right price), swap in the HD-FTE and manual, get the live axles and one of the better engines around (one bloke even put one in a Nissan..!). Would be easiest doing the swap with a diesel, but some have done it to the unleaded vehicles. Seems a very popular mod.

Cheers,

Ross.
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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Thursday, Nov 27, 2008 at 08:26

Thursday, Nov 27, 2008 at 08:26
That bloke is very happy with his Nissan/100LC, thanks Ross.
Cheers Colin.
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Follow Up By: Rossco td105 - Thursday, Nov 27, 2008 at 23:36

Thursday, Nov 27, 2008 at 23:36
G'day Colin,

Bit tongue in cheek from me there! Was really impressed with the swap, definitely an improvement on the old donk. I just couldn't remember who had done it at the time.

Regards,

Ross.
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Reply By: Gone Bush (WA) - Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:29

Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:29
This one is currently on Carpoint.

Site Link

I have no connection whatsoever with the seller...

Reasonable kays, great list of accessories.

And if you are going to tow, anything naturally aspirated will disappoint you severely.

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Reply By: gezza100 - Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 at 15:53

Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 at 15:53
Hey Kiwi,

I guess its personal preference but I have gone for the 100 GXL, 99 model, solid axles front and rear, after market turbo, prefer it over the 105 for the few comforts like power windows, carpet, good standard (wider than 105) rims, plus the tailgate rear is handier for me than barn doors.

Like someone else mentioned the last of the 80's with a factory turbo diesel are probably the best cruisers ever made bar none. Once again its horses for courses but either way you would be getting a great tourer.

Gezza
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Follow Up By: Member - Nick (TAS) - Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 at 16:03

Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 at 16:03
Hey Gezza, you have a 105 if it has solid axle front end.The GXl's in 105's have all the fruit, like power everything, carpet, tail gate etc.The STD model 105's are the basic jobbies, vinyl trim, barn doors, manual window winders etc.
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Reply By: Member - OzGazza - Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 at 21:10

Wednesday, Nov 26, 2008 at 21:10
I had a 100 T/D and my mate has a 105 with an aftermarket turbo.

His vehicle performed marginally better than mine in terms of acceleration and off road agility but mine was better on fuel and on road handling.

The 100 T/D was an auto my mates was a manual.

After comparing our vehicles my mate reckons he would have bought mine in hindsight. I would not have swapped with him.

The factory turbo auto is a fantastic combination and the agility and diff issues are solved with lockers.

Given the choice between the two I'd go 100 T/D Auto again.
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Reply By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Thursday, Nov 27, 2008 at 08:52

Thursday, Nov 27, 2008 at 08:52
Laura, I like the 100 we have - not 105. The standard TD4.2 set up will beat a 4.2 Nissan for comfort, ease, power and economy. The auto is good too. Carpoint was mentioned for a source and that is where I found ours.

Laura, if you bought a 100 series though, I can imagine your new name - Kiwi & Pleasure. Do they go together? LMAO
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