Crimping terminal problems ...

Submitted: Friday, Nov 28, 2008 at 10:08
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All you experts - Is there a trick to terminal crimping ?

Seems mine either don't grip well or I cut through them !!

I lose about 1 in every 5 !!

I'm about to spend the weekend soldering the terminals to the wires because I figure bouncing around in the back of the truck those temiinals could come apart ..

Cheers

Steve
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Reply By: Member - Andrew L (WA) - Friday, Nov 28, 2008 at 10:11

Friday, Nov 28, 2008 at 10:11
get yourself a good quality, ratchet crimping tool.

Leachy
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Follow Up By: OzTroopy - Friday, Nov 28, 2008 at 10:25

Friday, Nov 28, 2008 at 10:25
Even a not so quality one from bursons / autobarn etc ... is better than those useless scissor action sort.

Careful use of the uninsulated terminal, ratchet crimper gives a better result yet again.

Quality terminals are also a nescessity - $2 shop ones give you the quality you paid for.

Soldering is still the best of all tho .........
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Reply By: MrBitchi (QLD) - Friday, Nov 28, 2008 at 10:13

Friday, Nov 28, 2008 at 10:13
Are you using a proper crimping tool? If you are then you shouldn't be having those issues.
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Reply By: Member - res.q.guy (Vic.) - Friday, Nov 28, 2008 at 10:23

Friday, Nov 28, 2008 at 10:23
I agree with Andrew L ... get a good quality crimping tool, the others are only "toys".
Similar to this one:
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Jaycar Crimping Tool

Regards
Neil
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Reply By: Mandrake - Friday, Nov 28, 2008 at 10:32

Friday, Nov 28, 2008 at 10:32
Jaycar is becoming my favourite shop !!

Cheers for the info - The tool I have was in a "kit" and really never felt quite right when being used ... I'll pop into Jaycar and get one -

cheers

Steve
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Reply By: DIO - Friday, Nov 28, 2008 at 11:18

Friday, Nov 28, 2008 at 11:18
Make sure that you use the correct sized wire for the connector that you are choosing. If the wire is too small it will just pull out or if the connector too large - same problem. In some situations soldering can cause later problems. Solder can shrink with age and you could get a bad connection. It's happened to me.
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Follow Up By: MrBitchi (QLD) - Friday, Nov 28, 2008 at 12:03

Friday, Nov 28, 2008 at 12:03
Solder will not "shrink" It's a combination of lead and tin, neither of which is subject to shrinkage.
What happens is the solder / metal bond can fail, leading to what's called a dry joint, usually the result of poor preparation or poor technique.
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Friday, Nov 28, 2008 at 14:04

Friday, Nov 28, 2008 at 14:04
do not solder the copper joint is bound to fail permaturely
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Reply By: Maîneÿ (wa) - Friday, Nov 28, 2008 at 12:01

Friday, Nov 28, 2008 at 12:01
Steve,
Solder the 'tip' of the exposed wire, just to make it a tad thicker at the end so the correct clip won't come off when crimped, or to get even more pedantic simply put flux on the clip and the wire and after crimping them heat the flux and melt a small bead of solder there to maintain connection, then slide back the heatshrink and warm up to seal everything in place.

Mainey . . .
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Friday, Nov 28, 2008 at 14:15

Friday, Nov 28, 2008 at 14:15
If you use a flux then make sure it is neutral type. Plumbers flux is an acid and can 'eat' your wires. I would never use solder myself.

Colours of lugs is an indication of cable size and NOT polarity.
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Friday, Nov 28, 2008 at 16:49

Friday, Nov 28, 2008 at 16:49
Yep - to reinforce points in the above - there is of course a lot of 'junk' about these days that appears to be the real McCoy - includes crimp on tools and fittings it seems - last year I bought a bargain kit of crimp on parts - the tool itself was near on totally useless and the terminal parts looked good but are 2nd rate........anyway, I'm an electro-klutz but I always solder mine.
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Reply By: Tony MD - Friday, Nov 28, 2008 at 17:02

Friday, Nov 28, 2008 at 17:02
Use a quality crimper & crimp lugs. believe it or not, companies such as Utilux make a crimper for their lugs.
Crimp lugs are designed for crimping & not soldering. In the electrical game, it is not compliant to solder a crimp connection due to shrinkage.
If the joint is subject to stress (vibration etc) a crimp connection is better. Soldering makes the electrical conductor solid & over time, the conductor will break at the end of the solder connection of the lug.
Personally, I find the small pre-insulatedl lugs a load of rubbish.
I use the correct size crimp lug (Utilux) and heat shrink over the junction.
Cheers, Tony.
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Reply By: Grizzle - Friday, Nov 28, 2008 at 17:06

Friday, Nov 28, 2008 at 17:06
Buy a good pair of Electricians pliers with the crimping section in the handle. I have a good pair of ratchet crimpers but I was still not happy with the results. The Electricians pliers will crimp just about anything without cutting it and the wires NEVER pull out.

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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 15:54

Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 15:54
If you don't have the right skills, tools and materials, then don't crimp.

If you don't have the right skills, tools and materials, then don't solder.
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Follow Up By: Krakka - Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 06:09

Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 06:09
Should I use "super glue" then mike?
Krakka
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Reply By: Dion - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 22:54

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 22:54
Before inserting the stripped wires into the lug and crimping, liberally massage grease, vaseline or silicone grease into the strands of wire, also put some of the same into the lug.

Cheers,
Dion.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 23:04

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 23:04
Why place an insulative compound within the lug??? Less conductive area touching each other IMO.

Andrew
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Reply By: Dion - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 23:14

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 23:14
Silicone grease is conductive, there are several types from Dow Corning, specifically for electrical connections.
There is also an electrically conductive grease used to coat the contact area's of conductors for DC power, I can access some, but not just now.
For my own applications on my 4WD's or boat, I use an Caltex sourced Cu based grease, stick a Insulation Resistance tester in that and see how conductive that is, even on the lower 500V setting.

Vaseline may or may not be conductive, I've never tested it, however the strands of the conductor still make sufficient contact with the lug when crimped that it has never been a problem.

Then there is the gease that is used in the busbar joins on the cells that make up the batteries thati work with, certainly conductive, has to be for the I that travels through them.

The extended life of a join/lug in the marine environment by using grease is certainly worth doing.

Cheers,
Dion.
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