RTA (NSW) 4WD and AWD body-shape anomally.
Submitted: Saturday, Nov 29, 2008 at 19:12
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Member - Haldo (NSW)
Registration time again. Did the usual ring-around for the best deal of the CTP. I do the online quote but the computer message says to speak with a 'consultant'. I get told my 1994 Toyota Landcruiser GXL station-wagon is on record with the RTA as a PVS (panel van with windows and seat/s). I
check the rego papers and the lass is right, it's a PVS. The RTA 'Vehicle Descriptor' explains what each shape is. I ring the RTA and am told it should be a PVF (panel van with windows and seats 4WD). To have the RTA alter the records I have to have the vehicle inspected at a Blue Slip station ($23.20) and go to the RTA where they'll make the changes. Mind you, I didn't stuff up in the first place but I have to pay for the changes. Good system, huh?
You're wondering why I went to this trouble? About $60 cheaper for a station-wagon or PVF, than the PVS.
Might be time for everybody here in NSW to
check their rego papers to make sure their 4WD (or AWD) is a PVF and save about $60 on your CTP premiums.
I'm trying to find out what the RTA uses as a reference to describe a vehicle shape. Why a wagon-type 4WD or AWD vehicle in NSW is deemed to be a 'panelvan with windows and seats 4WD'?
Mind you, Toyota Australia 'customer service' tells me my Landcruiser was built as a 'wagon-type' vehicle. Big difference between wagon and panel-van.
Why is a Subaru
Liberty wagon recorded by the RTA as a 'wagon' but the Subaru Outback (very similar in body shape) is recorded as a PVF (panelvan with windows and seats 4WD)?
Finally, a 2000 Toyota Landcruiser 'troop carrier' (panel van) modified as a Britz campervan, is recorded as a station wagon. Any ideas or is the RTA in a world of its own?
Reply By: Member - Mark G (NSW) - Saturday, Nov 29, 2008 at 19:15
Saturday, Nov 29, 2008 at 19:15
HALDO
"Any ideas or is the RTA in a world of its own? "
you hit the nail on the head mate.
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Reply By: Graham & Lynne - Saturday, Nov 29, 2008 at 19:24
Saturday, Nov 29, 2008 at 19:24
Haldo
I do Blue slips
This is how RTA work out classisfacation.
the
Liberty is a 'wagon' because there is a
Liberty '
sedan'model available.
There is no Landcruiser
sedan model available so is called PVF.
A camper trailer is called a CVT i.e Caravan Trailer
Yes the RTA is a world of its own
From Graham
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Follow Up By: Peter 2 - Saturday, Nov 29, 2008 at 23:41
Saturday, Nov 29, 2008 at 23:41
They are in a world of their own, my Humvee is registered as a WAG ie: stationwagon. There sure as hell isn't a
sedan version !!
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Reply By: Jumankum - Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 07:35
Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 07:35
Our wallydore was first registered as a blue vehicle, now when the rego renewal arrives somehow its changed to a red one.
Small detail but will probably have some questions to answer if a cop runs a rego
check ditto the insurance company. Point is they will most likely want us to pay the "fee" to change it back!
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Reply By: Member - Tony B (QLD) - Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 07:40
Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 07:40
Makes me wonder about Qld! Maybee they throw a dart at some cards. Cheers Tony
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 18:09
Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 18:09
. . . just another example of beaurocracy gone mad with power.
If a court decides that you are not guilty of a speeding offence and you do not have to pay the fine, the NSW RTA gestapo still won't restore the points !!!!!
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Follow Up By: Rowie - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 23:15
Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 23:15
They should not have removed points in the first place, but if they have removed points they must reinstate them.
When an infringement notice is contested, the fine and demerit points are supposed to be supsended pending the court hearing. If a court (a higher authority than the RTA) finds you not guilty, this means no offence was committed.
On that basis, the RTA cannot legally justify taking points off anyone when no offence was committed.
I suggest going to the clerk of the courts where the case was head. Explain the circumstances and request written evidence from the court that the matter was dismissed and also request it be certified by the clerk. Take it to an RTA office and request to speak to a manager and get it sorted out there and then. Allow the RTA manager to copy any of the info if he she asks to, but DO NOT allow them to keep the certified copies as they they loose things. Internally, the manager can attest to having viewed the certifiied documents anyway.
If that doesn't work, file a written complaint with the Transport Minister and go back to the clerk and let them know the RTA is overstepping the mark. The clerk might have some other ideas on how to get it resolved.
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Reply By: Rangiephil - Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 21:16
Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 21:16
AND a Suzuki Vitara Convertible is a utility in NSW !!!!
At least in Qld I was able to convince the lady at the Mt Gravatt registry that it was a convertible by showing it to her.
Regards Philip A
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Reply By: aroundwego - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 18:04
Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 18:04
actually I will defend the RTA. this happened to me a few years ago and it was`actually the RTA that told me how I could save money and get it changed.
They said it is actually the manufacturer/dealer that does it to save themselves money.
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