Fridges for Offroad Caravans

I am interested in hearing any comments/experiences on the different types/brands of fridges for caravans such as Bushtrackers, Trakmasters etc.
We spend a lot of time camped out in the bush and are a little concerned about the battery drain from an electric only fridge.
Links to articles on the internet would also be appreciated.
Thanks Bob
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 08:58

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 08:58
Doing the same research myself recently - I'm on the Trakmaster production list at present - I'll go for a modest sized compressor fridge, because we intend to do lots more top-end travel and it gets really hot up there, even in winter. The 3 way is a bit challenged under certain, hot circumstances. The upshot of my intention is we'll need a decent solar system ($$$) in support, and I have a small gennie already as backup if required. Lots of "rough roads capable" vans do have compressor fridges (as seen on used listings) - can't see me going up to 230 litres in size though, as many owners have chosen ! 150 would have to be plenty for the two of us. I've come across happy owners of Waeco Coolmatic and Vitrifrigo - don't know about any others.............
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Reply By: offroad Bob - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 11:05

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 11:05
I lived in the topend for years and got lots of camping in. I used an Engel fridge and put it through some tough tracks. I always had a spring loaded base and the cover bag. I still needed to tie it down. One camp I was chasing buffalo through remote Arnhem land with the fridge tied down on the back of the ute. No problems - food was a bit scrambled though. One thing I did learn in the heat of the top end is portable fridges only cool to about 45deg below ambient temperature - and on some hot days traveling in the build up with the fridge set to freeze - things became defrosted as the fridge stuggled with 48deg in a covered ute tray.

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Follow Up By: GerryP - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 22:52

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 22:52
Hi Bob,
When you say "in a covered ute tray", was it sealed or was there a way for air to circulate under the cover? The reason this is important is that a compressor fridge needs to be able to get cool ambient air around the condenser. Otherwise, heat simply builds up to a point where the fridge becomes innefficient and under extreme conditions, can actually damage the compressor due to excessive gas pressure build up within the system.Cheers
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Follow Up By: offroad Bob - Wednesday, Dec 03, 2008 at 16:09

Wednesday, Dec 03, 2008 at 16:09
The ute had a full canopy to the height of the cab but was packed full of gear and the engel was pretty crammed in. There probably was not enough air around it to allow it to work efficiently. The day was so hot when I had a flat tyre I could not handle the rim with bare hands instead needing to use a rag. It took over an hour of 'do a bit and rest' to change that one tyre.

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Reply By: wendys - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 13:24

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 13:24
See reply I have just posted a couple of threads below this. Our Vitrifrigo is 12V electric only - compressor driven. We have solar panels on van (240 W?? in total), and 2 sealed batteries (which can charge from 240V system when we have it). That is ample for fridge, even in really hot conditions, van lights, rangehood fan, and inverter for our 2 laptops. We did find though, that after a week in really cloudy and dull conditions, that we needed backup genset to charge up the system.
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Follow Up By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 20:25

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 20:25
Your description Wendy is pretty much evidence for my recent thoughts on solar planning for my van.... what size is your fridge ? Two / one door ?
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Follow Up By: wendys - Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 21:05

Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 21:05
Darian,
it is a one door, bar fridge size. Little freezebox inside with a pull down door. It fits under a bench, so is not really big - about the size that was normal for van fridges when ours was built in 1997. I think our solar setup could be more efficient - would do it differently if we were doing it again. We had the van wired and set up for solar when it was built, but did not initially get panel because we knew that himself's health in our first year on the road would not lend itself to bush camping. Then, when we were ready to go solar, got tangled up with a company that was supposed to be the best in the field in Melb. Big mistake. Costly mistake. Eventually found an expert who really did know what he was doing and it all now works well.
On the fridge subject, I find our little-ish one basically meets our needs when travelling and bush camped....BUT.....we also have a gas/electric Chescold camp fridge. If we are going away from shops with the van for the sort of time that requires a big shop for fruit and veg (what we eat mostly), I will use that for John's beer and items like a bunch of celery, extra lettuce etc. However, I can get enough meat, chook, fish in freezebox to last a month or more.
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Reply By: Motherhen - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 20:28

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 20:28
Hi Bob

Our 1998 Bushtracker came with a 130 litre Vitrifrigo 12 v caravan fridge with remote compressor. It only has a small internal freezer, which is not really suitable for long term storage of frozen goods. It was very efficient running from batteries powered by solar. We killed it - after loading the freezer section overly full, we ended up on 300 kms of corrugated road without letting down the tyres. The plastic freezer section was only secured at the back by one screw, which snapped, and the gas line severed, rendering the fridge unrepairable. Although i would love a fridge with a separate freezer, we could not fit it in without major changes so went for the same again (same size and remote compressor). They are 12/24 volt, and can be run from a rectifier when on mains power or genny which cuts the power down to 24 v. The newer fridge does not seem to be either as efficient or as silent, but does the job. We have four solar panels, but until this year, did not know that we had a faulty batch and we probably only had the equivalent of 1 and ½ 120 w panels which charged 3 x 100 ah AGM batteries. The panels which were replaced under warranty are now 4 x 130 w and will charge 4 x 110 ah batteries.

Newer Bushtrackers don't have the Vitrifrigo.

If you want the best fridge for camping - an Engel car fridge style is about as good as you can get (ducking for cover). In a previous camper, we replaced the old 3 way with an Engel upright caravan fridge which was probably around 120 litre, with small internal freezer. I don't think they sell the upright model now. It was 12 240 v and although a little noisy it was very efficient. We were using a portable 80 w solar panel put out only when we stopped to charge 1 battery.

I hope this helps

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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 23:48

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 23:48
Hiya Mutha, interested in your problem with the Vertifrigio. Have a 130 litre one in the karavan and whilst we haven't had problems with it we haven't been to the hotest parts of Oz at the hotter times.

You do illustrate the problems with high tyre pressures very well. I like having my tyres pretty well down to take the shock. Helps the rest of the suspension components too.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 00:00

Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 00:00
Hi John

The breakage was our own fault, and i was pleased to see that the replacement fridge has two screws securing the freezer box.

The new fridge seems to draw more power than the old, and is noisier (i couldn't hear the old one at all - only the odd gas gurgle). All the same, it is still a quiet fridge.

Most of our problems were related to our solar panels, but the new fridge doesn't always start properly when the batteries are a bit low, at levels where the old one never faltered. We may also lose some power by having it wired through the rectifier as we didn't have one with the previous fridge.

It maintains temperatures in the fridge and freezer well - although we haven't travelled in extreme conditions. I have e-friends from NT who have a Vitrifrigo in their Kedron, and have travelled in very hot conditions with no problems.

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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 07:21

Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 07:21
Mutha, good to know that manufacturers learn to put another screw into the top. LOL

Nice to note that others in the hotter parts haven't had problems. For others reference, I say though at times some of the fridges are imported with an L shaped evaporator in the fridge whereas most have a C shaped one. The evaporator plate is the section around the freezer box that does the chilling. A friend had one fitted until it was found and replaced.

I know some that use a small computer fan to better distribute the cold air inside that runs every time the compressor is running. Just a laptop fan, we have one.

Even on a setting of 1 our Vertifrigo seldom goes above 3 degrees unless you have the door open. It is frequently too cold for salad veg or the milk in the morning.
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Reply By: Best Off Road - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 20:39

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 20:39
Bob,

Nothing beats a GOOD 3 way fridge in a Van. It just has to be rated accordingly.

We had a low spec Jayco Van that had an ST rated Dometic fridge fiited. Worked fine until it got over about 33 degrees.

Mum and Dad had an upmarket version Van and Fridge rated "T" and it was holding 0 degrees with and an ambient of 42 on setting 3 of 7. Ours was running at 10 degrees regardless of what we set it on.

No need for solar, generator, battery bank etc.

They use less than 500g of gas per day. That is a lot of equivalent monet invested in solar, batteries, generator etc.

Cheers,

Jim.
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Reply By: zha zha cruiser - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 23:37

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 23:37
Engel.


All stays cold. Its great.

I noticed they have a new one now...40 litre for $899 and you get a pack of stuff with it.
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Wednesday, Dec 03, 2008 at 18:40

Wednesday, Dec 03, 2008 at 18:40
We have a 230 Litre 2 door Vitrifrigo in the Kedron Van. Only had the van since August and it has not done a long tough trip yet. When we bought the van home, I turned the fridge on. It has never been off since. On day one I put a tub of ice cream in the freezer as a test. It stayed very firm, but not hard till I turned the fridge up to about 75%. Whithout ice cream, fridge and freezer seem to run very well at about 25% of max on the dial.

Only ever had 240 V connected to the van for a couple of hours (testing 240 V stuff, charger etc). Otherwise it has been on solar the whole time, including the recent long wet spell in SEQ. Handled it all no problem.

Happy so far. The big test will be when we hit the road full time early next year - heading North to NT first to fish the wet season run off. That will be a good test for us and the fridge / solar system.

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Follow Up By: alcatrav - Monday, Dec 22, 2008 at 19:56

Monday, Dec 22, 2008 at 19:56
Hi Norm,
Good to hear your 12V fridge setup is running well. I'm thinking of a similar setup for my van - not off-road, but certainly away from power for extended periods.

Can you detail what solar and battery setup you have on the Kedron?

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Monday, Dec 22, 2008 at 20:54

Monday, Dec 22, 2008 at 20:54
The van has 3 x 130 W Kyocera panels on the roof. Batteries are 3 x 120 AH Fullriver AGMs. Plasmatronics solar controller.
40 Amp Centaur charger for 240 Volt charging if required. We carry a Honda 2 KVA, but so far have not used it since we got the van.

The vehicle has a 120 AH (in back) and a 90 AH (in engine bay) AGM to power 2 x 40 Litre Engel fridges and other minor stuff. We carry a 100 AH bi-fold solar panel to charge these batteries for when we are camped for longer periods.

So far, all does the job very well. As I said before, the big test will be when we hit the road full time. About a month to go. Wow, time flies.

Norm C
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