Converting petrol motor to diesel.......
Submitted: Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:02
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darrell.QLD
Can this be done succsefully ???? Friend of
mine owns a series 3
landrover (petrol) .. he seems to think they can be converted....
I think the cost would kill you for a start,does anyone know anybody that has done this???
Reply By: Member - Tour Boy (Bororen) - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:05
Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:05
Does he mean to replace a petrol motor with a diesel one or actually convert a petrol to a diesel. I would think at the least of all probs with this that the petrol conrods wouldn't handle the extra compression to
well.
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Follow Up By: darrell.QLD - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:12
Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:12
He said that its possible to CONVERT petrol motor to a diesel...
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Reply By: Andrea11 - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:17
Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:17
Hi Darrell,
Try www.aulro.com this is a fantastic
forum for landrover owners.
Regards
Andrea
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Reply By: OzTroopy - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:23
Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:23
darrell
Without checking on old info now mostly forgotten ....
The series II landy 4cyl petrol and diesel engines shared a lot of basic components ....
Might be where your mate got his thinking from. ????
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Reply By: Ozrover - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:29
Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:29
The early series I & I think II Landys were the same engine, firstly a petrol then they converted it to a diesel, just goes to show how strong the petrol engines were!
I don't think the same applies to the series III but I could be wrong?
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 13:12
Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 13:12
There are so many reasons you wouldn't want to do this. I do not believe in any form of conversions unless you are a mechanic doing it for yourself, you end up chasing your tale and spending a tale.
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Reply By: furph - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 14:53
Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 14:53
It could be done, but there are sufficient diiferences to make it impractical.
It will require a diesel cyl. head, injection pump, injectors and glow plugs/activation cuircuit, fuel lines/filter assembly.
Then diesel pistons which have a grooved crown to suit the flame propagation, also 3 comp. rings plus oil control ring.
The w/
shop manual specifically says "no undersize" on crankshaft, it is 3 main bearing and not that robust for diesel application.
You could possibly find a good diesel head, but with a complete block under it for not many $'s!
I have a very good 2.25 diesel which I could be persuaded to part with, but it comes complete with the '76 s111 cab/ch. it is installed in.
furph
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 15:45
Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 15:45
While the crankshaft will fit either engine - structurally they are a little different - a Diesel crank has a D stamped on it and a Petrol crank has a P stamped on it.
Garry
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Reply By: disco driver - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 18:49
Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 18:49
Darrell,
The short answer is, yes it can be done.
But at great expense as outlined in previous replies.
What gets me is, why anyone would ACTUALLY WANT TO.
The original Series 2 and S3 Landrover petrol motors were only 86bhp when in top condition and even in those days the 2.25 diesel was a real snail in comparison. They weren't an economical motor either. The fuel consumption was only marginally better than the petrol units. Made a good small boat mooring though.
Most conversions using Landrover motors went the other way (petrol motor into diesel vehicle) or else the venerable Holden red motor was shoehorned in.
There were plenty of other motors slotted into the old Landy's as
well. (Slant Valiant, V8 253 and 308, Falcon 3.3 and 4.1, even the Leyland P76 4.4 V8, and a range of the small 4cyl diesels (Mazda Perkins etc)
Be aware that Landrovers had notoriously weak axle shafts and bigger power units generally meant plenty of broken axles, usually in the most inconvenient
places.
Disco.
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Reply By: Ianw - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 21:45
Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 21:45
Sure can! Cheaply too.
Check out this website
greendieselcorp
Ian
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Follow Up By: Member - John F (NSW) - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 22:27
Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 22:27
What absolute shonky crap!! This rubbish "greendieselcorp" looks like something from a Nigerian bank. Look at the photoshopped factory facade.
You won't fool anyone on this site, we didn't come down in the last shower.
John.
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Follow Up By: Ianw - Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 00:07
Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 00:07
Surprising how many like to rubbish Aussie inventors. You would be the first to complain when he sets up business in China. The awards won by this system speak for themselves ! But, stick your head in the sand if you like , I dont care. The man asked a question, I gave an answer.
Ian
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Follow Up By: Member - John F (NSW) - Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 07:25
Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 07:25
Sorry Ian, you may be absolutely correct, but a few less gee whiz photos and a few more facts and figures on their sight would lend some credibility.
Regards, John.
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Reply By: Member - Paul E (WA) - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 23:02
Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 23:02
Yes it is possible to convert a petrol motor to Diesel in a Landy. Don't know why you would though as the exercise would be expensive beyond belief and a real headache to set up. I have had several S2 & 3 and fitted holden red 186& 202, Rover 3.5 V8 and the last and most successful 4.1 Iron head crossflow ford, all gas / petrol. All worked
well but the transfer case and gearbox were replaced with Nissan units, Landy ones are very problematic and run hot even with the standrad engine, hence premature bearing replacements. The conversions are easily done, cheaper and less headaches than trying to re-engineer a petrol engine.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 07:37
Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 07:37
How did you fit the ford donk in without cutting the crossmember? their too long - had a mate try and fit a turbo 245 valiant motor but he gave up as cutting the chasis it would have been too hard to register
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Follow Up By: Member - Paul E (WA) - Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 22:33
Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 22:33
Yes you're right, cross member modification is standard (and accepted by vehicle examiner) procedure for any Landy undergoing motor transplant larger than venerable 4cyl. The only reason examiners have problem is when someone cuts and rewelds cross member and their welds look like seagull crap...i.e structurally unsound or they have'nt cut it correctly and looks like they got into it with axe or blunt object. I've done 3 for myself and 2 for others and never had a problem with any of them.
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Reply By: Thermoguard Instruments - Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 19:02
Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 19:02
The venerable Land Rover 2.25L engine was produced in both petrol and diesel formats. Which probably explains why the petrol version in particular, has a reputation around the world as an incredibly tough little unit. (They didn't have the same reputation in Australia as the Toyota equivalent had a much bigger and more powerful 3+ litre six-cylinder engine and the little LRs had to rev their guts out traveling long distances in Oz.)
But there are very important differences between the petrol and diesel versions. For a start, the diesels all have forged steel crankshafts while most of the petrols had cast steel cranks. Also, of course, the pistons, heads and camshafts were quite different, as
well as the fuel/ignition systems.
So, while it might be theoretically possible to rebuild an original petrol engine block as a diesel, the practicalities would be horrendously expensive.
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