temp guage for automatic gearbox.
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ROCKY BOY-JUSTGETOUTTHERE&DOIT
Hello everyone I am putting a 9inch thermo fan infront of my automatic transmission cooler with a manual switch so I can turn it on if gearbox oil gets too hot especially after towing a large van. I have a 100ser v8 petrol auto and my mechanic needs to know what brand and where to attach sensor probe for temperature guage in gearbox . He is unsure where to attach the sensor probe as he thinks if not attached to the correct place the engine management system won't function properly.ooooooooooooooo
Has anyone put a temp guage on their gearbox (5sp automatic box) and which brand and where did you attach it to .Thanks Peter
Reply By: Peter 2 - Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 06:33
Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 06:33
If Toyota has done as they have in the past the auto will already have an internal temp sensor which will be hooked to the vehicle electronics and will probably bring up a warning light or put the trans into limp mode if it is overheating.
Something like a diagnostic computer (Tech 2 or whatever is compatible will probably give a temp reading.
Most standalone temp sensors are fitted to the trans drain plug or fitted in the cooling line hot side going up to the trans cooler.
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Follow Up By: ROCKY BOY-JUSTGETOUTTHERE&DOIT - Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 08:48
Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 08:48
Thanks Peter I am really looking at a guage or a computer readout type rather than a warning light that I know is there already.I want to know actual temperature before it gets too hot. Fitting this guage the mecahnic said is the problem and where they get the pick up from or tap into the gearbox from without upsetting the onboard computer. I'll let him know about the temp sensors that you suggested . And are these physically large units as I am limited to where I can put it in console of car with all the other gizmos I already have. The mechanic is wiring up the fan so I have a switch to turn it on when towing and also wiring to work off ignition when key is in the ignition so I can't leave it on when I stop car and flatten battery. We had a look and there is no where to really put this readout gizmo in the 100ser dash. The fan switch was easy . So at least I will have the fan installed but I would like to know the temp readout of my gearbox. The guage is the only problem ,the fan was easy.
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Follow Up By: eerfree - Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 23:55
Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 23:55
Peter
Simplistic solution---You are going to install a fan with a switch anyway so why bother with a probe, switch the fan on when you are towing the van, the fan will not be a drag on the battery and you will have less gauges to watch and worry about.
Bob
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Reply By: Member - Kevin J (QLD) - Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 09:01
Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 09:01
Peter,
It may be a silly question but why do you consider that you need the extra cooling fan and how do you know that the auto is overheating ?
I tow a substantial off road van with a 6 cyl 100 series TD auto and BIL tows a 26' with his 100 6cyl petrol. We have done some pretty heavy running in country where the road temps were in the red and never had a problem.
Anyway my suggestion would be to contact orto@automatictransmissions.com.au for advice.
Kevin J
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Follow Up By: ROCKY BOY-JUSTGETOUTTHERE&DOIT - Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 09:49
Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 09:49
Hi Kevin I know I am a bit over cautious here but I have already burnt one auto gearbox whilst 4wding at
stockton luckily it was under waranty. And I have spoken to some others with similar problems.I don't know if its a common thing or not Toyota won't say There are alot of factors in everyone circumstances I suppose so they can't blame one thing. But overheating was the common thing . I for one am changing my gearbox oil more often every 40K as a precatuion and now a fan. I have a 2003 model with the 5spd box.
. I am just covering my ar#e . As with my luck it would probably happen out in the back blocks somewhere. cheers Peter
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Reply By: normglenda - Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 11:42
Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 11:42
Hi Peter
I have a 2003 V8 petrol towing a 2.6 Tonne van. I have done some pretty big KMS in 40 degree plus heat and had no probs.
Although I would not mind fitting a temp gauge, no one has been able to tell me how yet. I just make sure I change gearbox oil at 40,000KMS although book says 80000. The cruisers have a good trans cooling system on them. I looked at a scan gauge but it is not compatible with 2003 models,
By the way I also have
mine on LPG goes great.
Norm
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Follow Up By: ROCKY BOY-JUSTGETOUTTHERE&DOIT - Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 12:15
Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 12:15
Hi Norm , Yeh I will be towing something in vacinity of 3.3tonne hopefully fully laden which would be okay when on the tar but offroad may heat up gearbox more. I will weigh van when everything on . So by keeping everything cool and changing oil will keep gearbox and oil in top condition. I will let ya know when I find a guage to suit. My cruiser came with a toyota auto cooler which is about 12 inch width and so the 9 inch thermofan I am putting in would suit nicely. I prefer to turn it on when gearbox heats up. I know what too much heat does to a torque converter but if too cool is theregoing to be any problems. Cheers Peter
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Follow Up By: Member - Rob S (NSW) - Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 17:06
Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 17:06
Hi Norm
Have a look at the TM2 engine watch dog.
I have one for engine temperature but can be use to monitor
any thing you want very easy to install.
They did advertise on this site but follow the link for more info
http://www.sig.itel.net/
Rob.
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Follow Up By: Supercalafreakinawesome- Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 18:49
Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 18:49
Hi Norm,
I have a scangauge fitted to a 2/2003 V8 cruiser and it seems to work quite
well. Haven't found the codes to use for the auto trans. temp though
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Blaze - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 03:10
Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 03:10
Hi Peter,
Am I missing something here. Having fitted a pair of fans to my external Auto Cooler, I also tow but the fans are only used when in Low Range doing either sand or steep
hill work with low air flows over the cooler. When towing, natural 80kph air flow from vehicle momentum should push air over the cooler faster than the fan anyway.
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Reply By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 17:10
Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 17:10
You could give these people a holler,
Scan Gauge and find out if it will do what you want first.
The ScanGauge plugs into the diagnostic port of the vehicles onboard engine management computer and gives you access to all the data it collects.
It'll probably end up cheaper and give you far more information than paying a mechanic to splice wiring looms for one temperature.
Geoff
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 18:46
Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 18:46
True but they are incompatible with most 100 series before 2006
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Reply By: Member - Robert G (WA) - Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 17:41
Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 17:41
Hi Peter,
I am also in the process of installing a temp guage for my trans (LC100 TD auto). I have purchased a AUTOMETER Transmission Temperature Guage. I bought it from Summit Racing (on-line). The P/N is ATM-3357 Guage, Sport-Comp, Transmission Temperature, 100-250 Degrees F, 21/16 in, Analogue, Electrical US$45.95. I intend to mount the probe inside the trans oil piping/hose somwhere before the oil enters the cooler. My biggest hold up so far is finding somewhere to mount the guage!!!! (already filled a pillar pod). Once I have done this, then I intend to decide whether I need a bigger capacity cooler and or fan on cooler.
Let us know how you go and I'll do likewise.
cheers
Rob G
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Reply By: awill4x4 - Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 19:41
Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 19:41
I just love it when people quote "I've towed my X tonnes caravan in 40+ temps with never a problem"
Tell me, how on earth do you know how hard your auto is working? Would you run your car with just a warning light for the radiator
water temps? I don't think so.
Of all the mods I've made to my Nissan GQ auto the temp gauge is by far the most worthwhile, it enables me monitor how hard my auto is working under any and all conditions and adjust my driving style to suit.
Regards Andrew.
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Reply By: Member - Paul W (VIC) - Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 20:57
Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 20:57
I have a VDO trans temp gauge in my 100 T/D, the sender is in the trans cooler elbow at the auto on the out/hot side of the plumbing and i believe this is the best possible place to fit it as you are seeing the converter temp almost as it happens. you can cheat and put it in the pan but thats old news, that oil was run thru the auto minutes earlier. and no you cant be too cautious. cheers Paul
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Reply By: ROCKY BOY-JUSTGETOUTTHERE&DOIT - Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 22:15
Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 22:15
Thanks everybody who replied.
I have looked up a few sites now and I will put it to the mechanic and or auto electrician regarding the guage. I was speaking to a transmission specialist and he recomended to put probe sensor at rear of gearbox after the auto cooler and some of you prefer sensor after the gearbox before cooler. He said you can simply just tape probe to return pipe or whatever don't need to insert it in oil.
I can see that there is not one place that is universal . I suppose it depends on what you want out of it. I personally would like one before and after the cooler so I at least know that the temperature has cooled down somewhat. There have been a few guages mentioned . Are they all made in Australia or imported. I prefer to keep to local made Does the TM2 have facility for 2 probes. I will ring them . Thanks Cheers Peter
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Monday, Dec 08, 2008 at 12:02
Monday, Dec 08, 2008 at 12:02
I am with you Rocky Boy, Use a hose clamp to hold the probe on the cooler pipe. It may not give you a really accurate gearbox temp reading but it will be a good indication. You will see the fluid temperature rising when the engine is labouring and cooling when everything is running
well. Just a few days ago I was with several vehicles and we did a very long steep
hill climb to about 1500 metres, a couple of vehicles were not using the right gears and had their transmission lights come on. Others using lower gear and higher revs had no problems. Also, a couple of vehicles switched off their engines at
the summit. The heat retained in the system continued to 'soak' through the system and you could hear the radiators bubbling. Those people that left their engines running for a few minutes kept the fluids circulating and cooling. A temperature gauge would have been very handy to indicate if you could simply switch off or needed to let the engine 'run down' before shutting down. I will be fitting a transmission temp gauge very soon.
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