Victorian High Country advice

As someone who is still as yet inexperienced with his newly acquired Off Road Camper Trailer I have been gradually getting more nervous about our holiday to the Victorian High Country.

It seems to some the VHC is a nicely tarred stretch of road touring through vineyards and taking in the countryside and to others it's more about climbs in vehicles up tracks that tests man and machine. I'm somewhere in between and closer to option 1.

On the internet I spotted pics of tracks that really had me wondering 'what if'. For example what if I needed to turn around or make room for someone in another direction. It looks scarey stuff and dangerous. Not for me.

So I'm trying to strike that nice balance between sealed road & off road tracks that will allow me to enjoy the trip & get us and the gear home in one piece.

I drive a TD5 Land Rover Defender & two a Kimberley Kamper. I have experience towing a light on road CT but that was easy to unhitch, turn around & man handle. By comparison the KK is a battleship.

Should I be concerned?
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Reply By: Dunaruna - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 10:20

Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 10:20
The high country is a big place. Plenty of touring to be had with a camper in tow but there are also plenty of serious offroad tracks where a trailer is not advisable. Don't be too concerned, find a nice camping spot (I can highly recommend the wongungarra river area) and enjoy.

If you tackle the HC from the dargo end, most of the roads 2wd. That being said, it would be a shame to miss the pinnacle lookout, easily doable with your setup but the wife will probably lay a brick on the decent into the valley.

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Follow Up By: Wayne David - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 11:01

Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 11:01
Hi Dunaruna & thanks for the reply. I will now check into your Wongungarra River area suggestion using maps & internet, and Dargo does appear in a lot of the stuff I'm reading, so we will certainly do that too.

Much appreciated.
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Reply By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 10:23

Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 10:23
Have you considered doing Driver training with either a 4x4 club or similar. They cover a great range of things for towing in 4wd conditions.

Is it possible to do a Tag Along tour that is set up for Trailers first so that you get some sort of guidance and confidence first before setting off by yourself.

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Follow Up By: Wayne David - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 11:04

Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 11:04
Sir Kev & Darkie - Agree with you that Driver Training is a top idea. It's on my agenda and I've tried a number of times to sync my work & the dates for training courses without success, so next year I'm going to work around the courses and just do it.

The mob I'm thinking about also offer the tag along.

Great suggestions. Thanks.
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 10:26

Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 10:26
Wayne,

The Vic High Country is very big so a little more detail of where you would like to travel would help.

Genually any dirt track can lead to a steep climb, steep decent or river crossing. Once that you are on a climb or decent you are committed to finish the track.

Reading a good map with contour lines will help but they don't show conservation humps that can cause a problem. Track surface can also limit on how far a vehicle and trailer can go.

What is possible is to have a base camp, Wonnangatta or Talbotville are good and possible with a camper. From the base camp you can do day trips.

Wayne
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Follow Up By: Wayne David - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 11:25

Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 11:25
Hi Wayne. Fine name.

Great comment about the VHC being so very big. As a New South Welshman living on the North Coast I would hear the term Victorian High Country and just think it was a place in amongst high hills somewhere south of the NSW boarder.

It wasn't until I started researching that I actually realised just how big it was. And may I add just how compact Victoria is compared to NSW and other states. There's so much to offer within a few hours of each place. What a beaut place.

Sorry about the lack of detail on my originall post but there was a draft before it that was starting to look like War & Peace so I reduced it. Obviously too much.

Here's my go in brief.
* Missus & two mongrels (dog & me) = 3 of us.
* 4 week trip to include SE Coast, VHC, Great Ocean Rd to SW Vic, West of Grampians, Mildura, Murray R, Wodonga & off home.
* 8 days at Cape Coran (paid campsite) = day trips to VHC
* then head off VHC free camping (we hope)
* explore about & possibly exit Mansfield & head SW

It's a pretty flexible schedule but would reckon stay VHC for about 7-10 days before heading off. Concerned about leaving CT in free camping spots (thieves), so may well tow & set-up each evening = free to head which ever way.
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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 13:03

Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 13:03
Wayne,

The camper should be safe. A chain around the wheels and chassis should slow down the honest thieves. In all the time I have been camping (13yrs) I have not had a camp site raided or any type of theft accrue. I have also taken camper trailers through the VHC and they have performed very well.

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The only problem that I can see and that is taking a dog into the National Parks. To get around the VHC you will have to go through a N.P sooner or later.

Wayne
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Follow Up By: Wayne David - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 15:03

Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 15:03
Wayne,
Nice camper you have there.

NP & dogs - Always an issue but popular opinion (folk law) is that it's okay to travel through NP with dogs. Just not okay to camp, stay too long, let them breed, etc. Ours is no longer a male & will be on a lead for 'whiz breaks'.

Chain - I'll take a chain for CT & use it if there's something we need to duck off in the car to do or see. So good idea. Thanks.

Is your Prado TD?

Happy with it?

Cheers - Wayne D
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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 15:43

Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 15:43
Wayne,

The Prado and Camper belongs to a couple that I took through the Vic High Country last February. I much prefer to use a swag and a few stars to sleep under.

I only have a 78 Series Troopie.

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As you might gather from the sign writing on the Troopie that I do take conveys through the Vic High Country plus other parts of Australia.

Wayne
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 21:36

Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 21:36
"...popular opinion is that it's okay to travel through NP with dogs.."
Might be in NSW Wayne but the Park Rangers & Police down here might have a different take on that. Better to leave the dog at home or find a kennel for the HC section.
Cheers Craig............
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Reply By: Splits - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 11:10

Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 11:10
You will find plenty of tracks all over the country where meeting another car head on can create problems. I would recommend following Kev's advice and join a major long established 4wd club. They will have members who are familiar with the VHC and just about everywhere else. You will have access to excellent driving and recovery training. The clubs have regular trips to all the popular areas. Even places like the VHC that can be frightening to the inexperienced suddenly become relaxing and enjoyable when you are in a small convoy with a experienced leader.

You will find that there are countless places that you can safely take a 4wd in company but you really should not be there on your own.

Brian

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Follow Up By: Wayne David - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 11:31

Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 11:31
Thanks Splits - I think you're dead right and your advice is very much appreciated. It'll be next year before I'm able to do the training course. Meantime I think I'll treat this exercise more as a 'suck it and see' type of thing.

I'm cautious by nature and the advice from you and others has confirmed I should be. I'll be acting as if I'm in a soft roader & towing an on road CT. That way I'd reckon it'll be safe and enjoyable.

I'll also be eyes and ears open to good advice.

Thanks again.
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Reply By: Wazza - (Vic) - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 11:53

Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 11:53
I have a lot of maps of the area, but I just found this one this morning in the Exploroz shop:

Hema High Country

I ordered 2, one for myself and one for my cousin for xmas. I like how it covers everything up there on one map.

Looks like it would be ideal for planning your trip.

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Follow Up By: Wayne David - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 12:16

Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 12:16
Howdy Wazza,

I've been trying to slow down the Missus from buying loads of books with maps as I reckon the extra weight will mean the Landy's tyres will blow if she has her way. Besides I'd reckon a good folding paper style map is more likely to be used than the book. Or am I wrong?

Your tip though looks great. More durable than paper AND covers the exact area that I plan on visiting.

Nice tip. Thanks
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Follow Up By: Wazza - (Vic) - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 13:16

Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 13:16
Wayne,

It is just one of those things. Girls like to have their maps in books and sit them on their lap, constantly checking up that you are going the right way. Guys like to unfold the map every now and then to see they are on track.

Girls also hold the map book upside down as you go around corners .... one of those things that real men don't do.

I like unfolding the map at the end of the day to see where you have been and where to tomorrow. Puts a day's journey in perspective.

Half the fun of the trip is in the planning. So enjoy.

Wazza.
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Follow Up By: Steve - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 13:56

Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 13:56
Wayne,

Must admit I'm a bit of a sucker for an excess of maps, books and gps equipment but anyway, I'd thoroughly recommend that Hema High Country map. It's now available in tear-resistant and waterproof form. Costs about $12/13 as opposed to the $9 for the paper version. Well worth it for it's toughness and great for overall planning. The Rooftop maps will give you more detail. All available from the Explore Oz shop.
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Reply By: Volvo driver - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 13:19

Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 13:19
the advice on the 4wd training.. with heavy camper attached.. is excellent, really if you're not real confident that's what you should do first because otherwise eventually you will come across a situation that will have you thinking " what do l do now??" and the crew WILL decide to mutiny right in the middle of it,
also look for dedicated 4wd clubs that do a LOT of 4wding WITH 2 ton or more campers /vans and are sensible in what/where they attempt to go ( re VHC ) while towing
some 4wd clubs are too gung ho,
cheers
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Follow Up By: Wayne David - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 15:06

Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 15:06
Howdy Volvo driver - Good of you to warn of the mutiny. Actually she's more the skipper and I'm simply crew, driver & problem causer.

4x4 clubs - thanks for the tip. Info being filed away for future reference.
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Reply By: Member - Lost Dog(WA) - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 16:06

Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 16:06
Gday Wayne.
Another thing to consider driving in the VHC at this time of year is the Loggers and their gear travelling on certain roads and tracks. Might pay to have a look on DSE website to get an idea on where the sawlogs are being hauled from. Also there will be contacts for the regional offices.
DSE
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Follow Up By: Wayne David - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 17:40

Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 17:40
Gidday Lost Dog (WA) - To be honest the thought of meeting a speeding logging truck breaks me out in a cold sweat.

I've taken your advice and whipped off an email asking information on this point. Hopefully they will say that at my visit time (Xmas to around New Year's), loggers are off on holidays.

But I do appreciate the thought. Better to be safe than sorry.

Cheers, beers & ffffears - Wayne
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Follow Up By: Member - Paul C (WA) - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 18:27

Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 18:27
Wayne
You'll find most logging tracks will be signposted with UHF channel & numbered trees up the track will show location markers.
Pay close attention to these and communicate with trucks.
If you are driving up a track and see a sign saying "6" and hear a call "Coming down at 7" find a good spot to get out of their way.

Learnt this hard way last year when I turned the UHF down a tad too much after some colourful language had my little ones asking questions. Came round a bend on the way down with a truck coming up who was not going to slow down (fair enough too). All worked out but the signage and UHF is a good system providing all parties use it.

Cheers
Paul
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Reply By: Member - Mark E (VIC) - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 19:42

Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 19:42
G'day Wayne,

I've just returned from a short trip to the VHC and have travelled extensively in many areas up there over the years, having lived in a number of towns at the base of the mountains on both sides of the range.

This is my take on camper trailers, given that I am not particularly experienced at camper towing and I take it gradually as I don't want any nasty surprises! . Make of it what you will and some will disagree.

I think they are great for ALL of the access routes, most of the 'easier' tracks, some of the moderate tracks, but NOT for the harder/hardest tracks. That being said, there is a great deal of variation in all of the above. The way I approach it is to tow the camper into an area that is fairly central to what I want to see and then do day trips to areas of interest. If I want to camp in more remote places that are harder to get to, such as down in the Caledonia Valley, I leave the camper at home and travel lighter with tent etc. This also makes room for more recovery gear, a hand winch and chainsaw for self sufficiency. You really should carry a chainsaw in the VHC, since after the fires, there are many dead trees just waiting to fall across your path. VERY hard work with an axe or bowsaw.

Here are a few examples of some of the track I travelled this week:

McMillan's Track in to Talbotville.....easy, 2WD and no problems whatsoever with the camper. There was a Peugeot 307 in there the other day! Like wise the Dargo High Plains Road to Mt. St. Bernard.

Crooked River Road from Talbotville to Kingwell Bridge....probably OK most of the time, but there are a number of river crossings which can either be easy or difficult depending upon rain.
We went that way a couple of days ago and all was fine (without camper) except for one quite deep river crossing (the last before Kingwell Bridge) that came up to the top of the bonnet. There were a couple of largish rocks that needed to be avoided. I'd be reluctant to take the camper across that crossing as it was quite deep, even for the 4WD. The rivers down there can rise and fall quite quickly and some of the crossings can be a trap for the unprepared and those unwilling to get out and have a look or walk the crossing first to check the route.

Billy Goat Bluff track to the Pinnacles. This is a very steep climb. I approached it with lowered tyre pressures and didn't have a problem (no camper), but I thought about whether I could tow the camper up there and it is probably possible, but meeting another vehicle at some points would make it 'interesting' to say the least and the 'strain' on the vehicle's drive train would be quite high dragging another thousand or so kilos of junk up there. Approaching from the Moroka end would present little problem.

Crooked River Track from Talbotville to Bulltown Spur.....again probably possible and easier than the Billy Goat Bluff Track but still depends upon river levels and how much 'strain' you are prepared to put on your setup. It is a fairly steep climb up out of most of these valleys.

I would be more comfortable towing up these steep grades if I had difflocks and very low gearing, but it is an individual preference.

Given that I have significant experience without camper in these areas, I will read further replies with interest, as I may be a little bit conservative for some......

Cheers,

Mark


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Follow Up By: Wayne David - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 20:09

Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 20:09
Mark - Brilliant stuff from you and some good sound advice too.

I appreciate the effort you made very much.

I shall now print out what you and others have written & get checking maps.

Thanks everyone for your tips and advice.

Cheers - Wayne D
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