The best gasket sealant out there!! Which one?.
Submitted: Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 20:25
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Member - Axle
I Have a on going
water leak where a alloy housing bolts to a cast engine block. Have used the manufactures recommended gasket and tried different sealants and it lasts for about six months. It appears the diffent temp between the alloy and the block seems to create a bit of flex, hence the
water leak.The sealants i have used seem to break down under heat over time causiing failure. Any ideas?
Thanks Axle.
Reply By: Rob Rascal - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 20:52
Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 20:52
Toyota use a silicon style sealant (black stuff) on a lot of their engines without a gasket, can purchase from Toyota. Seems to work
well for them, might be worth a go.
Good Luck
Rob
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 21:04
Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 21:04
Thanks Mate, will enquire about it.
Axle.
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Follow Up By: furph - Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 07:30
Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 07:30
Axle.
Would that by any chance be the "P" gasket?
If so, I believe there are 2 types, the one on
mine (original) is a plastic/metal/plastic sandwich looking one which has never leaked.
furph
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 09:52
Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 09:52
Thats the one !, i am using the later one which only seems to seal for about six months.
Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: furph - Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 16:34
Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 16:34
Axle.
Thats a bit strange only lasting 6 months.
As I mention,
mine is a late '97 without any
sign of leak there.
I had an annoying loss of coolant a few years ago which was traced to a loose heater hose connection.
My immediate thoughts were that dreaded "P" gaket, even bought a new one....
Have you checked the flatness of the
water pump housing, and if you replaced the holding studs were they high tensile?
cheers furph
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 17:45
Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 17:45
furph, Replaced the 3 longer bolts that hold the housing at the
water jacket, Bought them from landrover parts outlet, imagine they where hi tensile??. Looking at it to-day the leak is only a dampness not dripping, and no
water loss, but it seems to be directley underneath that
water jacket , so
water is finding its way down through the sealant or gasket! Even used Sikiflex last time but no better. I'm thinking the housing is warped big time.
Cheers Axle.
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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 21:42
Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 21:42
Silastic is the go IMHO
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 21:50
Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 21:50
Have tried various ones Bonz, but it seems to dry out in extreme heat conditions, Not sure yet , It could be landrovers famous modified gasket......LOL.
Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 21:54
Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 21:54
I got some in the shed that I evemn used on the exhaust gasket for the XW Falcon I had and it worked on that too
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Reply By: Outnabout David (SA) - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 22:41
Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 22:41
I wouldn't use silastic. Loctite have a couple of products for sealing flanges. One is for normal temps and I think it is purple and the other specifically for hotter temps which I think is pink from memory. A decent motor parts
shop or bearing
shop will be able to sort you out
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Follow Up By: Member - Adam S (SA) - Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 18:30
Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 18:30
The red (Pink) one is called Loctite 510 Gasket Eliminator it is good gear. I have used it many times,It replaced gaskets on a high pressure oil line between turbo and block.Have used it on many Motor Bike engine cases.
I also know people who used it exclusively on race bikes, never use gaskets.
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Reply By: Member - Paul C (WA) - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 22:52
Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 22:52
I have used Dixons Paste on Autoclave steam lines and blowdown
water lines over the years.
Could be worth a try if all else fails. Heat,
water and steam wouldn't matter.
Looks like blackjack and sticks like the old proverbial.
Cheers
Paul
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Reply By: Thylacine - Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 22:57
Saturday, Dec 06, 2008 at 22:57
Where exactly is the leak and on what make/model car?
Are you tourquing bolts in correct sequence and to specs? If not, one or more mating surfaces may be out of true. Hold a straight-edge to the surface in front of a light, and you should be ble to see how "flat" the surfaces are. If too much light is visible machining/replacing may be in order.
ed
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Reply By: Member - Ed. C. (QLD) - Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 00:09
Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 00:09
Dunno which is best, but Permatex Aviation Form-a-Gasket No. 3 sealant has served me
well for many, many years:)
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Reply By: Matt(WA) - Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 00:15
Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 00:15
Hylomar
link is the best stuff there is.
Matt
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Follow Up By: Tippa - Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 19:26
Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 19:26
Hylomar is the best gasket sealant available bar none.
I use it every day on boeing 747s and nothing stands up to extreme conditions like it. In fact its the only one approved to be used on boeing aircraft.
If you need to seal bolt threads which go into
water jackets, the best product (surprisingly enough) is Holden Head Stud Sealant.
You can buy it from any Holden spare parts department and maybe repco.
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Reply By: Member - Paul W (VIC) - Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 00:51
Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 00:51
Wurth products are the go,you pay the premium but get the product that works.
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Reply By: Member - Dennis P (Scotland) - Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 07:42
Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 07:42
Best one I have found is ,
Permatex Blue
Used it in many applications, from Sprintcar donks to 4WD's, even got a tube of it in my toolbox over here, swear by it.
Agree with Bonz, too, surprising just how good/versatile Silastic is.
Cheers,
Dennis
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 08:25
Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 08:25
"surprising just how good/versatile Silastic is" yep, me too, even use it around the windows of the fire in the lounge room, and that is the plumbing version!
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Follow Up By: Peter 2 - Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 09:31
Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 09:31
Just don't use permatex blue wherever it is exposed to hot oil (ATF, 90 grade, engine oil etc) as it goes straight through it!!! BTDT!!!
The black toyota stuff or the correct wurth's stuff is very good.
Permatex no 3 is especially good on cooling sytems, used on alloy fittings between the rubber hose and the fitting it stops the corrosion completely plus the hoses just slide off when removal time comes.
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Reply By: Cruiser 60 - Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 23:10
Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 23:10
Hi there it's a thought but have you checked to see if the alloy face is straight not buckled.
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Reply By: Member - Matt & Caz H (QLD) - Monday, Dec 08, 2008 at 14:57
Monday, Dec 08, 2008 at 14:57
yeah totally agree with the use of pematex aviation sealant for
water leaks is the best stuff very sticky stuff and use a new gasket also
regards matt
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Follow Up By: Tippa - Monday, Dec 08, 2008 at 20:19
Monday, Dec 08, 2008 at 20:19
They may use permatex on aircraft in other countries, but working for Ansett, Qantas, general aviation and on the navy's helicopters, i've never seen permatex used on Australian aircraft yet. Only Hylomar and loctite brands. Although i have used permatex on cars ive owned but only when i couldnt get hylomar in a hurry. If they are side by side on a shelf, i'd choose Hylomar. Especially their aerosol can version which sprays a nice thin and even coat- perfect for head gaskets- even if they do have a sealing bead and are monotorque.
Cheers!
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