Protecting van top solar panels from hail
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Member - Norm C (QLD)
What do people do to protect the solar panels on van roof from hail?
At home it is not such an issue. The van is in the open, but if we get a storm warning with possible hail, I cover the panels with large thick mats. They have been through one lot of hail (not severe) like this and survived.
When traveling, I figured we would just take our chances, but the increase in storm activity this year has got be thinking about a possible method of protection.
One possibility, is to carry some cheap blow up mattresses. If hail is expected, blow them up (say 75%), place them on the panels and tie them down somehow (have not solved that bit yet). Getting up to the roof is a bit of an issue, but if I
park the truck beside the van and climb on the roof rack, I can get there.
What do others do? Just take your chances?
Anyone had panels damaged by hail?
Reply By: Kiwi100 - Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:23
Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:23
Norm,
Insure them. Prayer is unreliable. LOL.
Seriously tho', I carry a heavy grade silver plastic tarp but in reality would have a helluva job doing anything constructive with it, especially in the wind.
Michael
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Reply By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:29
Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:29
Hi Norm,
Over here in sunny WA, hail is so unpredictable that you wouldn't have enough time to get protection in place, I reckon.
Just recently I hit a hailstorm on the Nullarbor, with thumbnail-sized hailstones, pelting for about 10-15 minutes. I was expecting the windscreen and the solar panels to crack, but there was no damage. Years ago, I had tennis-ball sized hailstones hit my new car, the whole body was dented, but all the glass remained intact. So I don't think it's an issue for most cases.
In my current case, my 4wd insurance covers my solar panels for everything except theft. (I hope!)
cheers, Gerry
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Reply By: Member - RobnJane(VIC) - Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:30
Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:30
Norm,
A good question, so now I think I'll look at using those square 'rubber' mats from Rays Tent City, the type that clip together. Use a small tarp or elastic cargo net over them to hold them on.
We carry the mats anyway as a floor for the shower etc.
Rgds,
Rob.
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Follow Up By: Mark R - Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:39
Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:39
How about a few hail Marys?
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Follow Up By: Mark R - Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:40
Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:40
Oops, wrong place - ah
well ...
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Reply By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:36
Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:36
G'day Norm,
As posted on the BT
forum.
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But apparently not all that common.
Kind regards
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 15:00
Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 15:00
On reflection Norm, hail damage is only one reason you might want to cover up. I have seen trees with bats and birds that could do some serious pollution up there and leave you with no panel capacity. Two things, I saw a demo where a panel expert showed the effect of shadows or dirt on the panel and the result was a dramatic drop in output, and when we were at
Kununurra in 2005 I watch a fellow place a tarp over a van because he was stuck under a tree – he made it look easy, so I guessed he did so regularly.
Kind regards
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 16:09
Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 16:09
Hi Beatit - They must have been the hail stones as big a
water melons! Our van is uncovered all the time, and panels remain undamaged. They have even been smacked by overhanging branches with no ill effects.
Motherhen
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 16:25
Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 16:25
G'day Motherhen,
From the same source,
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You would have to be unlucky I guess to be somewhere when this happens.
How's life on the farm? I hope there has been good weather for you and that the sheep and crops have been good.
Kind regards
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 19:27
Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 19:27
We're lucky over on this wonderful side of the continent, that we don't get ice chunks that big thrown at us. We haven't been flooded out either.
The season has been really up-the-
creek over here this year to. Dry spring when the crops should have been growing, then it rained for weeks as soon as the crops ripened. Humid damp weather with flies like you've never seen in the sheep. A bit of drizzle today, but weather is gradually improving. Sheep all shorn (but still have to watch for fly strike) and harvest almost finished, even if grain value downgraded. Should all be good by Christmas.
Mh
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Reply By: Maîneÿ (wa) - Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:40
Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:40
I've had Solar panels attached to the vehicle roof since 1997, it has never ever been garaged in that time (till this year) I've never had any problem with damage to the solar panels from hail, stones or naughty light fingered ppl either :-)
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Reply By: Gone Bush (WA) - Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:50
Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 11:50
Hullo Norm,
Us West Aussians don't get hail like you Banana Benders do so unless we've experienced it, it's hard to comment.
Fortunately (or unfortunately, as may be the case) my old 80 series got peppered in
Brisbane once and looked like the surface of the moon. New roof, new bonnet. Every surface that was exposed to the vertical was panle beaten and a total re-spray.
So I can comment....
The solar panels are so expensive that I would go to somewhere like Clark Rubber, or a good automotive upholsterer, and get some custom made rectangular quilted canvas or similar and get velcro sewn on the sides and stick some heavy duty velcro down the sides of the panels.
Or get some elastic loops like on a tonneau cover and use them. Probably easier anyway.
Then just put the protective covers on when the need arises.
cheers
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Reply By: hazo - Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 14:42
Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 14:42
At the recent
Perth 4wd show I noticed that a lot of camper trailers had the option of a solar blanket for keeping the sun of the canvas roof.
Just thinking that they may also be suitable as a quick temporary hail cover for a caravan and solar panels.
The material looked like heavy duty silver foiled bubble wrap, and was hemmed with webbing and eylets for tying down to roof.
Very similar stuff to a pool cover but stronger.
Just a thought.
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Reply By: stretchlizard - Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 16:28
Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 16:28
There are two main problems with protecting from hail.
Firstly is that the hail often arrives at the start of the weather event.
Secondly is that there are two sizes of hail; little stuff that will not damage your panels and the other is big stuff (cricket ball sized and upwards) that you will not protect against with anything other than a solid shield. The use of anything thin, flexible or air filled will not help if you are hit by large hail. If you are hit by big hailstones, the broken windows in your rig and the holes in your awning, annex and shadecloth will make you not worry too much about damage to your panels.
My experience was not in a van but at my house at Raymond Terrace NSW. Awesome to see the hailstones coming down and bouncing on the lawn before they went up to break windows in the house. This put things into perspective for me that I was not so worried that the car also suffered.
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Reply By: Member Brian (Gold Coast) - Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 20:08
Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 20:08
Matey,
Hold the 75% inflated mattress/es on the panels with a cargo net...... I thought we discussed that on Saturday night as
well....
;-))
Cheers
Brian
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Reply By: Member - 1/2A - Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 20:27
Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 20:27
If you have some money to spare you can use
3M Polyurethane Protective Tape I'd go for the 4 inch tape at $483.56(US) a roll, this is the tape that is used on satellites solar panels.
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Reply By: blue one - Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 20:44
Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 20:44
Norm,
I have Unisolar panels which have stood up to quite a lot of abuse over the years. The worst mistake I made was dropping the electric drill on a panel and putting a hole in it. I filled the hole in with silicon and to my surprise it made little difference to the output.
Kinda think that the same would apply with hail.
Cheers
Steve
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ (wa) - Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 22:32
Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 22:32
blue one replied:
"I filled the hole in with silicon and to my surprise it made *little difference* to the output"
Admittedly I'm surprised too, because filling a hole in a Unisolar panel with silicon should make zero performance difference, reason being silicon is not an electrical conductor, chewing gum gives the same result !
Obviously it was a reasonably small hole to be able to fill it with silicon as silicon does not form a sheet easily.
Mainey . . .
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Follow Up By: blue one - Tuesday, Dec 16, 2008 at 20:48
Tuesday, Dec 16, 2008 at 20:48
Wow,
thanks for the insight. A glass panel would be dead.
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Reply By: Grungle - Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 21:38
Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 21:38
We look after around 20 solar comms sites here in CQ and have never had a smashed panel due to hail and most have been operational for 10+ years. Have had 2 smashed panels from rocks when a coal
mine carried out a blast without moving a comms trailer but that is it.
Just today we had a callout to a site and found 3 x 60W backup panels still in their frame on the ground 20m from
the hut after a freak storm front hit
Sarina last week. Panel glass was intact but
the junction box of 1 was torn from the panel where it was wired to
the hut.
Honestly I would not bother as the roof of your van would cop more damage than a panel due to being so thin.
Regards
David
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 21:43
Monday, Dec 15, 2008 at 21:43
Well, after a bit more research including Google and a post I did on Caravaners
Forum, I have concluded that solar panels are made tough enough to handle a 'normal' hail storm (say 20mm hail)without damage.
For a large freak hail storm (cricket ball size hail), I suspect there is not much I can do to protect them in any case. Most of the reasonable actions I could take would not protect them in that situation anyway. If I'm unlucky enough to get hit by that, I'll just claim the solar panels on insurance along with all the other damage.
Thanks for all the input. This exercise has probably reversed my position. I might not even bother to cover the panels at
home when there is a hail storm warning any more.
Caravaners Forum thread
Norm C
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