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Hi Derek, I read a few of your replies below.You seem to be very knowledgable. We triedto connect a 2500watt inverter to the 25 cubic ft refridgerator it could not start it up. We tried a 3000w inverter,it would not start the smaller airconditoner that the 2500w worked,neither the refridgerator. We connected 3 12volt batteries to each other and then to the inverter,no help. What can we do? We eventually want to use the inverter system for the whole house.
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Reply By: ABR - SIDEWINDER - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 09:03

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 09:03
Hi Nikkilinks

What are the specs on the fridge and air conditioner ?

What are the specs on the inverters ?

What size is the wire you are using ?

Start up current on these appliances can be very high and some modified sine wave inverters are not the best quality so won't run some compressors. Also see if you can get a tong tester to test what these appliances pull when they start up.

Regards

Derek.
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Reply By: stevesub - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 12:47

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 12:47
Also can your batteries handle that sort of load. I have found this with boats where people want all the luxuries of home and wonder why their mnicrowave or coffee machine will not work and all they are using is a small piddle a***d battery that is really only suitable for lights and radio.

If you are looking at a 2500w from 12V battery, you will be looking at drawing 200+ amps from your 12V batteries so you will need decent sized batteries to cope with that load, not to mention the extra required for start up current which the inverter may not be able to handle.

The guy with the boat bought a gen-set to solve his problems, we just don't bother with our boat

Stevesub
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 13:57

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 13:57
. . . and some VERY heavy cables between Inverter and Batteries.
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Follow Up By: Nikkilinks - Saturday, Jan 10, 2009 at 02:43

Saturday, Jan 10, 2009 at 02:43
We connected 4 of those M12V155ft 155amp hrs batteries to each other and then connected the end battery to the inverter.Should we have connected all 4 positive ends to the positive of the battery and then the negative?
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ (wa) - Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 10:22

Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 10:22
Nikkilinks,
Connect all the batteries in *parallel* with the (+) POS of 'one' battery going to inverter and the (-) NEG from the inverter, thus forming a complete (electrical) circuit.
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As mentioned elsewhere, use genuine *thick* battery cable and decent connections.

Mainey . . .

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Follow Up By: Nikkilinks - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:03

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:03
Thanks Mainey, I checked your profile! You must have a degree in engineering!!! I got lost in the technical stuff but the caught the main idea. If I want more power, I need more batteries; If I want continuos power,then I need to keep the batteries constantly charged, thus the need for a decent set of solar panels.

Thanks a Million!!! I'll be ordering those panels now. Once I'm fully functional I'll be sure to let you know.
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Reply By: Nikkilinks - Saturday, Jan 10, 2009 at 02:39

Saturday, Jan 10, 2009 at 02:39
Wow, that 48hr hold was torture! Thanks guys for answering me. Here are the specs: Fridge 120V 60hz 15A, Freezer 115A 60hz 54A, Air Conditioner Input 620w 115V 60hz 5.8A. Battery M12V155ft 155amp hrs 8hr rate to 1.75VPC nominal flat voltage 13.5-13.8VC. Terminal wire torque 11.3ov-n 100m-lbs. The batteries are connected to the inverter via TA YA 600V KIV 14mm2. I know zilch about electronics so I wrote all of the numbers I could see.Also, I tried connecting the freezer to the 2500W inverter it started, but I plugged in a small lamp and power for the inverter quit,even though the inverter's engine seemed to still be running. Trying to convert to solar via an inverter is confusing.
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Reply By: Steve Sub - Saturday, Jan 10, 2009 at 09:03

Saturday, Jan 10, 2009 at 09:03
I think that you really need to get someone who knows about batteries, solar, inverters etc to come visit you as trying to educate someone over the net via posts is not that easy.

Also you now have me confused as to the inverter - you said in your last post

"but I plugged in a small lamp and power for the inverter quit,even though the inverter's engine seemed to still be running."

Normally you cannot hear an inverter - are you trying to run things from a generator with an inverter?

As for cables, for the sort of power you are trying to draw from your batteries, you will need cables the size of the ones for your starter motor on a vehicle or arc welder cables as a minimum size.

If you are running 4 x 155amp hr batteries, you will not run fridges, air con, etc for long without charging them somehow.

Where do you live as you have US spec'ed fridge, freezer and air-con?.

Stevesub

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Follow Up By: Nikkilinks - Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 03:27

Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 03:27
Maybe it was the fan on the inverter that I could still here running. I restarted the inverter and then could power the lights again but did not try the freezer again for fear of destroying something.

I live on an out island in the Bahamas. Net knowledge can sometimes be overwhelming when it gets too technical but so far I find that the information on this site has been very helpful. I am gaining confidence in getting my home solar powered. I also found out that I had the batteries connected wrong. I connected them to each other, then the inverter to the end battery,instead of completing a circle with the battery and inverter connection (found a great diagram for it smartguage.co.uk)

I am charging the batteries from city power, but would like to switch to solar panels for the charging.
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Reply By: stevesub - Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 09:36

Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 09:36
I suggest you get some local help. It is too difficult to give you accurate information over the net without actually seeing your set-up.

I have traveled to many small islands around the world and there is always someone who can help.

If you have to pay for advice, also do that as it is cheaper than destroying expensive inverters and batteries by connecting them the wrong way. If you want to connect the whole house, you will need expert advise on the number and size of batteries as well as the size of your solar panels - they will have to be big and will be expensive if you plan to run air con, fridges, etc.

If you go too small, the batteries may go flat which is not good for them and you will destroy them, too small solar panels will mean that the batteries will not charge properly, too small cable diameter on the 12V side can cause a fire, etc, etc.


Stevesub
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Reply By: Nikkilinks - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:47

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:47
Thanks guys!!! I got 12hrs out of my inverter just using the basics (lights,TV,computer),even got my water pump to work. I will try to find additional help locally.But... now I know that it can work and I can build the system slowly so it won't seem so expensive.

Can't wait to vacation in the Outback! You all seem so friendly. This site must contribute greatly to your tourism.
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ (wa) - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:33

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:33
Nikkilinks,
Have you looked into a 'Wind generator' instead of Solar panels ??
Benefit is they run 24/7

LINK: -> Wind Turbine


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Mainey . . .
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Follow Up By: Nikkilinks - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 13:35

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 13:35
Mainey, wind is normally 10-15knots, I don't think that would be enough to generate power?
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