Jack Absalom "How to start a manual car by hand"
Submitted: Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 21:13
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Member - Poppy (QLD)
Just finished reading an article in R.M.Williams Outback magazine where Jack Absalom gives some bush advise on how to start a manual car by hand.
Apparently you jack up one of the drive wheels put the vehicle in top gear and give the wheel a spin by hand.
Any one tried this and does it really work?
Cheers Ray
Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 21:29
Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 21:29
Ray,
Can't remember using this method on a manual car, but we did use the principle on a Dodge truck, with a Perkins diesel engine.
Truck had flat batteries, so jacked up one of the rear duals, wrapped a long rope around it, and hooked end of rope to a ute. The ute did the pulling, and think someone worked the clutch, so that the wheel/driveline got up some momentum, before dropping the clutch.
Think it took a couple of attempts to synchronise clutch, with spinning transmission, but it did work.
Don't know what would happen with car with LSD?
Regards,
Bob.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 21:33
Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 21:33
Hi Bob
I wasn't going to suggest starting a diesel by hand....LOL
But two of us pushed a Landcruiser diesel once to get it going. The engine was quite hot though so that made things a tad easier.
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 22:21
Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 22:21
Someone mentioned below that you would need to jack up both wheels on a LSD.
For a modern diesel you would have to find a way to get the fuel shut off solenoid to stay open, Apparently 2 of the old "Dolphin torch" square 6v batteries will do it.
I'd hate to be needing to do this. I think I may even accept a tow from a Toymota in such a desperate situation.
Duncs
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Follow Up By: Bob Y. - Qld - Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 22:36
Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 22:36
Willem,
Probably a few skinned knuckles trying to start a diesel by hand, eh?
The L/C HJ75's, with 2H motor, were a dog to start at times, If you were able to push them and if you were able to get into the cab quick enough, you also had to remember to turn the key onto "start' to engage the EDIC, as you engaged the clutch.
Always handy to have an HF to call for help.....on long as the battery had enough kick.
We've ended up with 154mm for the week, Willem. We all resemble the Cheshire Cat LOL
Regards,
Bob.
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Follow Up By: Ray - Friday, Jan 09, 2009 at 00:49
Friday, Jan 09, 2009 at 00:49
Had an old 2h at one time. The solinoid cacked it and the replacement cost was very high. I fitted a choke cable to stop the engine just like in the old days.
Some one mentioned starting handles a few days ago. I can remember taking out the spark plugs in an old Land Rover some time ago and using the starting handle to get out of a bog.
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Follow Up By: Member - Malcolm C (QLD) - Friday, Jan 09, 2009 at 01:44
Friday, Jan 09, 2009 at 01:44
When I was on Twins Stn (SA) we used the old double decker buses for outback
camp. Kitchen downstairs, sleep up top.
I think these things had a Gardner diesel. We tried tow starting it from cold with a one ton jeep in low range. Stopped the jeep in its tracks ! Never did get it started that way :-)
malcolm
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Follow Up By: furph - Friday, Jan 09, 2009 at 08:47
Friday, Jan 09, 2009 at 08:47
Malcolm.
Would those double decker bus camps have been anything to do with Reg Sprigg, the geologist, on his oil search surveys?
cheers. furph
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Follow Up By: Member - Malcolm C (QLD) - Friday, Jan 09, 2009 at 10:07
Friday, Jan 09, 2009 at 10:07
Hi furph
I don't think so. IIRC Darryl bought three of them in
Adelaide. One each for Twins,
McDouall Peak and Ingomar and then converted them when they arrived.
Malcolm
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Reply By: Steve - Friday, Jan 09, 2009 at 10:55
Friday, Jan 09, 2009 at 10:55
Funny old character, Jack. :))
I nabbed a 5-dvd pack of his old TV series for $20.
Well worth it for entertainment as
well as "education". He demonstrates this very starting method. He also happily trailed around the Strezlecki in a Colt Sigma with standard tyres and stresses the importance of having tyres fully inflated, which flies in the face of current opinion. His finger-wagging old-school mannerisms are a joy to behold.
LOL
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Reply By: OzTroopy - Friday, Jan 09, 2009 at 10:57
Friday, Jan 09, 2009 at 10:57
Dio ..... your right ... ???????????
Like most of the old dependable methods of getting going again, " victa zip starting " works a treat ... unless on a vehicle dependant on
battery power supply for fuel control / immobiliser / PCM etc ... not too mention stupid, so called safety features like having to have the clutch pedal depressed - for the starter circuit to work ...
All the "wonderful " (pfffft ) technology really works against you in the end.
Ray ...
Well done ... the poor mans, diesel wind down, turbo timer and fuel cut off - ditch the 2h off solenoid for a choke cable .... worked a treat eh.
Crank handles ...
Yep good ol Landys ( and others ) ... pull the spark plugs, fit the crankhandle and use the factory supplied winch ... the gearbox. Do the job right and there was even time to boil the billy ... of course every body being in such a rush to get nowhere these days - chooses an extra couple of batteries / overpriced winch, and bar to mount it on / battery switching system etc and will get to use it all ... no more times than I ever had to crank a landy .... lolol
Wasnt aware of the Studebaker system ... but not surprised as plenty of other late model, you beaut ideas have been around in different forms for years.
Vehicles today are just like washing machines ... full of gadgetry and still only do the same thing they did 50yrs ago. The only real advances in vehicles best suited for long distance remote travel, are
suspension configurations and seating quality ... The blingy doodads are just an expensive fix waiting to happen ... over and above - any mechanical breakdowns.
Good thing is ... one doesnt need to carry
tools and spares anymore .... All the money normally spent on those items can be left in a bank account titled " Tilt Tray Funds " and a bit of it used for a sat phone purchase.
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Reply By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Friday, Jan 09, 2009 at 15:11
Friday, Jan 09, 2009 at 15:11
Sure does work!
We flattened the battery so bad in a HT Holden ute once this method wouldn't work either as there wasn't enough power to fire the ignition coil!
Solution? Rip the 6volt battery out of the dolphin torch and hook it up to the coil. Spin the rear wheel in third gear and away she went.
With the ignition on there is just enough sting in a dolphin torch battery to excite the alternator and give the volts to keep it running.
Once she's away disconnect the torch battery.
As to crank handles, I regularly used the one on my FJ40 Landcruiser with the 2H petrol engine!
Like someone above said, the trick is to swing the handle up, not down and keep you thumb on top with your fingers. It also helps if the engine is kept in a good state of tune.
Geoff
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Saturday, Jan 10, 2009 at 12:09
Saturday, Jan 10, 2009 at 12:09
Hi Geoff, Crank Handles!!!!, When i was 15yr old and weighing 6 stone wringingi wet, ihad the joy of starting a petrol international farmall tractor with a crank handle, The Bas....rd, back fired took two front teeth out, and shot me thru the back of the shed!, All the ol man could do was roll around laughing.
Cheers Axke.
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Saturday, Jan 10, 2009 at 12:15
Saturday, Jan 10, 2009 at 12:15
Hey Axle, are you my long lost brother?
That sounds exactly like something my old man would do!
Those old blokes had a way of teaching you stuff reall fast that stuck forever!
Geoff
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Follow Up By: Thermoguard Instruments - Saturday, Jan 10, 2009 at 13:02
Saturday, Jan 10, 2009 at 13:02
Hi All,
Had my first experience of crank-starting a few weeks back. (Well, apart from playing with a
Southern Cross single-cylinder diesel lighting plant years ago. But that was easy - just wind it up and then flick the de-compressor off).
Our Grey Fergie's ('49 TE-D 20) starter motor was cactus in the last week before we headed off to Tassie. To finish the slashing and other jobs, I started it for a few days with a wind-up type jack handle. Worked OK but the jack handle was only 3/8" rod and looked like spaghetti when I was finshed with it. Will have to make a decent handle out of 1/2" or 5/8" round bar when we get back.
Ian
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