One for those that are using a GPS Mouse

Submitted: Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 13:23
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Just a quick question to people on this forum that use a GPS mouse to connect to their laptop for moving maps. I have been using OziExplorer now for many year and find it the ants pants. When I use it with a traditional hand held GPS, either my Etrex Vista or GPSmap 60CSx, I usually get a fix within about 3 to 5 seconds. When I use my Garmin GPS18 USB mouse, it usually takes about a minute and a half to two minutes to start working for the first time. I can stop the moving map, start it again and it is a quick as the hand held GPS's. Like I said, it is the initial start up for the day.

My question is this typical for GPS Mouse type receivers or is it a poor Garmin GPS receiver.

Have a great day where ever my may be.

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Reply By: Jack - Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 13:42

Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 13:42
Hello Stephen,

I use a BU-353 mouse antenna and the fix time is virtually instant.


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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 13:51

Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 13:51
Hi Jack
Thanks for that. I can not explain why it is only the initial start up for the day. May look for a different mouse, like yours.

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Follow Up By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 16:00

Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 16:00
Ditto, my BU-353 comes up almost instantly.
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 16:28

Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 16:28
Same for me. My mouse is express.
Willie.
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Reply By: Member - Fred B (NT) - Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 14:20

Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 14:20
Jack,
are you using windows vista?......, as I have a BU-353 on order.
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 14:49

Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 14:49
It depends on the chipset that is in it.

A SIRFIII is by far the best.

My Globalsat BT338 is very quick to start up even inside the house Has a SIRFIII in it
IS far better than the HAICOM USB mouse I also have. It drops out going under an overpass on the highway
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 14:56

Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 14:56
Hi Graham
I have checked the Garmin Web site, and it does not say a lot about their GPS mouse type receivers. I have checked out the GPS Oz web site and they give a run down on the mouse type receivers that they sell. It looks like the Garmin may be behind the times.

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Reply By: Jack - Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 15:24

Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 15:24
I don't use a GPS at all,

I have a 10" eee PC - running Windows XP ($580.00)
Ozi-Explorer
BU-353 antenna $95.00

I investigated this to the enth degree and thought this combination was far better value than Hema's offering.

Not only do I have a much bigger screen to look at 10" not 4"? (very important) - I have a fully functional PC as well!

I have it mounted between the 2 front seat in my Landcuiser - perfect.

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Follow Up By: Colby - Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 16:15

Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 16:15
Jack,

I have just got an eee PC(very impressed) for running oziE. in my Landcruiser (100 '03) and am looking for options on where/how to mount it temporally while we do a 3 week tour.

Iam interested in your set up, have you got any photos/ more info?

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Follow Up By: Bytemrk - Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 20:24

Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 20:24
Umm Jack...

Your BU-353 IS a GPS...

Excellent little unit btw..

I run a very similar setup with a 7" Eee PC.

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Follow Up By: Jack - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 08:27

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 08:27
I consider the BU-353 as an antenna suppling data only. It does not provide functionality of a handheld GPS, that what Ozi-Explorer is for.

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 09:48

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 09:48
Whatever you may consider it, it is a GPS receiver.

Every unit has a similar device be it built in or external. If you dont have one your software wont work.

It is an interface between the software and the satellite.


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Reply By: Member - Greg T (ACT) - Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 21:25

Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 21:25
stephen,
where do you have your mouse situated, that could give considerable effect on the warm up (picking up of satellite's) phase.

i haven't got one yet (on order), but had complications with the old mans GPS on his boat. it was sitting just down in front of the fly bridge, and took a long time to warm up, but moved it ontop of the flybridge away from interference and.... beautiful, straight away, with more accurate plotting as well, which is good when you are on auto pilot!!!

i have a GU with snorkel, and when i fit it, it will go ontop of the snorkel, away from everything
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Follow Up By: Member - Greg T (ACT) - Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 21:28

Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 21:28
just to add to that,
putting it on the outside of the 4bie, it will work longer if it is waterproof......
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 21:34

Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 21:34
Hi Greg
It does not matter where I have the GPS mouse located, the initial location times always seems to take for ever. I have even tried sitting outside in the middle of the back yard, with the mouse connected to the laptop. Same warm up time, yet with the hand held GPS, well you hit the Start button on the moving maps at it acquires its position almost instantly. Hearing other peoples good response about their GPS Mouses, make me think the Garmin has a lot to be desired, and will end up getting a new from GPS Oz.

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Follow Up By: Member - Greg T (ACT) - Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 21:43

Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 21:43
Stephen,
trying to go through the list of problems for you.
does the moving map acquire a signal start straight away on the GPS because the hand held was already started. or do you turn the hand held on when you plug it in?

im out of ideas after that, chuck it away and get a better one.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 21:53

Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 21:53
Hi Greg
The hand held GPS are already turned on, and give the almost instant fix. I can have the Garmin GPS mouse plugged into the USB port for some time before going into Ozi. It is realy strange, like I said, once it has acquired its fix, then there are no problems. You can stop the moving map for a few minutes, start it again with the GPS mouse and it is instant??? Its only the first start up for the day.

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Follow Up By: Member - Greg T (ACT) - Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 21:59

Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 21:59
Stephen,
having the mouse plugged into the computer doesnt mean it will aquire a fix, it will probably require some software to say 'search for a fix'.
the hand held gets a fix when on ozi straight away because it already got one from the GPS unit.
the mouse has to warm up, i wouldnt wory to much about it, unless it drives you crazy.

sorry got to log off now, big storm coming, dont want blow up modem.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 22:02

Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 22:02
Thanks Greg

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Follow Up By: Blaze - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 00:23

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 00:23
Stephen I totally agree with Greg, if it gets to be to much to deal with you will have to purchase another GPS Mouse, I got one that logs onto 30 Satelites, and this is so fast its scary..

Cheers, will have to catch up some time.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 07:51

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 07:51
Hi Blaze
Thanks for that. Will be up your way again this year the for the week before and including Easter. We stay in Renmark in the Caravan Park and always bring the kayak, as you have the best waterways up your way. We love to head out to all of those back waters that the Riverland has to offer. Do you think that you will do the Buckleboo Stock Route 4X4 Track?

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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 10:01

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 10:01
Whilst you may have your receiver plugged in when you start the computer you should understand that it is a dumb animal and whilst it will turn on and will look for satellites it takes till your software gets going to show them.
Quite often it is the sioftware that takes the time initially and not the mouse.
I use Copilot on my netbook and it looks for GPS on startup and can take a little while to find it ( Its a bluetooth BT338). Once it finds it no dropouts all day under bridges etc.
The only time i have had it dropout was when i was in the lower floors of a 5 story carpark.

Another thing is always plug it into the same USB port as the computer remembers where it was and if you put it in a different port it has to reinitiallise it again.
A good reason for using a Bluetooth ves as this also works with TOM TOM on my Nokia phone.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:46

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:46
Hi Graham
So you feel that even if I do go for the BU 353, the one that others are getting an instant fix, it may still not fix my problem?

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Reply By: Member - Fred B (NT) - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 17:54

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 17:54
I am glad to say that my BU-353 arrived in the mail today.... not only that, it works. I had it up and running within a couple of minutes once I had the correct vista driver installed. It works a treat with OziExplorer and even works with the Gpsinfo software that came with it (once I trolled through the manual (on CD) to change a setting in device manager. The tracking of sats was almost instant once I started NMEA. All I need now is to take it on a test drive to ensure the track is being recorded.
Then all I'll need is a new battery for my Magellan Explorist 500, and I'll be happy.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 19:24

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 19:24
That sounds great Fred
I have made a few enquiries today and sorry to say but the Garmin in this case is not up there with the other GPS mouses. The one to go for is the BU 353, so I will now order on.

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Follow Up By: Colby - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 23:39

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 23:39
Fred,

Iam currently having dramas with my BT mouse GPS. Iam interested to know what vista driver you had to install and what changes to Device manager you had to make.

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Follow Up By: Member - Fred B (NT) - Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 00:46

Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 00:46
Colby,
mine is a BT-353 USB mouse GPS. With the 'GPS Mouse' disconnected, I installed the USB driver first, then the GPSinfo software. Once installed, right click on the "GPSinfo.exe" icon on your desktop. Click on "Properties". Click the "Compatibility" tab then 'check' the box for "Run this program as Administrator". Click "Apply" then "OK". Then plug in the GPS (making sure you are outside where it can obtain Sat's). Wait until Vista has done its thing, then run your software.

If that doesn't sort it, download the Vista driver from the GPSOz website (Check version No. first to make sure you are put "rolling" back to an older ver.), install it on your desktop and update the driver using Device manager to it, using the "Update Driver" tab.

http://www.gpsoz.com.au/global_sat_bu_353.htm
Works like a dream!
Hope that helps,
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Follow Up By: Member - Fred B (NT) - Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 00:52

Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 00:52
Colby,
one more thing, if you are using Oziexplorer, ensure your configeration is set to a baud rate of 4800 and the GPS selected is "NMEA ONLY".
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