Hardened chain lock

Submitted: Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 22:24
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Anybody have a recommendation for a lock to secure my generator. The "Kryptonite" cable is claimed to be bullet proof but the weak link seems to be the lock 'not supplied' holding it all together. Most of those I have found are either able to be cut by a set of standard bolt cutters or require me to part with my first born and lots of dollars to get a bit of quality. Would prefer advice from someone who actually has the lock rather than one which 'should do the job'. Thanks for your help in advance.
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Reply By: The Rambler( W.A.) - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 22:48

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 22:48
Any good size "Master" lock will do the trick---all hardened and hard to break.
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 22:55

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 22:55
Ditto,
I tried to cut a jammed one with a hacksaw once. It laughed at me.
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Reply By: Member - Porl - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 23:03

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 23:03
I think what you want is the hardened padlock but with a tiny exposed curved bar to make it too hard to cut with a bolt cutter, any local harware should have one, these units market themselves that way. So unless a thief carries a grinder and very big generator to drive it, the chance of the thief succeeding is very slim.
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 07:32

Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 07:32
the theif wont need a genny..he'd almost have one.....hahahaha
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Follow Up By: Krakka - Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 08:17

Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 08:17
He could even use your gennie for his grinder. hahahaha
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:10

Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:10
i was alluding to that .....definitely saves on lugging a genny around to run his grinder eh Krakka
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Reply By: Hairy (NT) - Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 00:31

Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 00:31
Gday,
Here is a boilermakers perspective.
If you can make it, you can pull it apart.
It all comes down to time, and the tools you need to do it.
Get a good lock and lock it to something solid.....your only deterring the honest thieves.......


Or buy a gun and sit up and wait.......

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:11

Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:11
An ABUS 83 from a locksmith would be a good thing. About $40 and can be keyed to alike to another key like your trailer lock. ( You do have one dont you) I use this brand for all my padlocks All keyed alike. They come in even higher quality than this as well
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Reply By: Member - lyndon K (SA) - Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 00:33

Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 00:33
Hi
Use a hidden shackel type paddlock, cost $100-$150.
I don't bother anymore and just leave stuff out. We mainly camp in remote area's. Now have open air insurance, if they want it they can take it and i will claim.
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Follow Up By: Member - Fred B (NT) - Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 01:05

Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 01:05
Lyndon,
tell me more about this "open air" insurance!
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Follow Up By: Krakka - Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 06:27

Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 06:27
Yep, same here, If they want it they will take it. Then just claim it on my insurance. If I lock it up in my camper and someone takes it I am not covered, but if I leave it out in the open and someone steals it I am covered.
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Follow Up By: DIO - Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:10

Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:10
No such thing as 'open air insurance'. Why would a Ins company want to cover goods left out in the open in an insecure environment. Any such cover would cost a 'mint' !
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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon K (SA) - Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:46

Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:46
I have open air insurance through DGA ,17k cover about $800 a year. $200 excess.
It was hard to organise so if you have a crap rating?
It even cover things like i drop my laptop and it smashes i get a new one.
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Follow Up By: Krakka - Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 20:43

Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 20:43
FYI DIO and others, Anything I take camping, ie camping gear, is covered by my Top Shelf contents insurance with our house. If I put the gennie in the canvas part of our camper and someone opens or cuts the canvas and steals it, it is not covered, but if I leave it outside and someone just walks by and steals it, it is covered, maybe enquire properly or even check your own policy, you may be covered and don't know. Plain black and white in our policy, of course it costs more than just a standard contents policy but you get what you pay for.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 21:01

Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 21:01
"If they want it, they'll take it".... how true is that.

Most of the gennies that cost a lot of $$$ are ones like the Honda and Yamaha inverter type.

Now, I might be wrong, but if I was the type of person who "needed to borrow" somebody elses gennie and it was locked up with a good chain and lock, I would be inclined to use a hack saw and cut through the PLASTIC handle of the gen-set itself!!! How easy would that be? The cut would only have to be one of a minor nature, so that the link of the chain could slip through. Once I had it I could easily use some 100m/h tape to cover up the join (or get it plastic welded etc) and BINGO...

I'm assuming that anybody with a criminal bent would have already thought of this, so I don't believe I'm letting out any great national secret.....

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Follow Up By: Krakka - Wednesday, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:21

Wednesday, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:21
Hey, nice one Roachie. Hadn't thought of that idea. All the more reason to make sure you have the right insurance.
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Reply By: Steve Ellis - Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 08:54

Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 08:54
Some of the best locks and chain are available through the motorbike shops. Used for locking up Harley Davidsons. A lighter and cheaper alternative is available through pushbike shops. A hardened plastic covered steel cable wth lock and circular key. I have one for the genny and one for the engle. The more you spend on security the more you want to keep your property.
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Reply By: Anthony (Vic) - Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:14

Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:14
I found the ABUS brand to be good value.

I bought one of these in stainless steel and had rekeyed to a current key for (from memory) less than $80.

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Reply By: Member - Ian W (NSW) - Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:44

Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:44
The Abus is a good lock.

The weakest part of almost any padlock is the key cylinder, even in good padlocks its usually brass and can be drilled out with a battery drill. I know, I've lost a few keys over the years.

Sold the camper trailer and unwittingly handed the Patrol's spare wheel padlock key to the purchasers. No way could I drill out the
Abus padlock barrel. There is at least one diamond hard pin in the barrel that wrecked every drill I tried.

FOR THOSE WHO LIKE ME LOSE KEYS:

If you have that "you beaut, top the line" security padlock take yourself off to Bunnings and ask for a 4" cutting disc for stainless steel/cast iron. This is a cutting, not grinding disc. Sliced through my super tough padlock like butter. At the end of the exercise there was just some paint taken of the side of the disc, the only way you could tell it had been used. Next to no pressure required which allows it to be used in delicate situations - if there is such a thing.

Ian
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Reply By: Member - Longtooth (SA) - Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 17:58

Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 17:58
Thanks for all the replies. The ABUS looks like what I need. Yes I know it only deters honest thieves but it buys a bit of time.
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Reply By: Ron173 - Wednesday, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:47

Wednesday, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:47
G'Day,

I got the Kryptonite cable and a small kryptonite lock. My trusty German Shepherd is always close by.

However, i only use the lock because I had one, I wouldnt rush out n buy an exy one.

A simple relatively cheap one will afford you as much protection as an exy one, as you are only deterring the quick grab n run brigade.

Lets face it, if the more hardened crims are about, they only need carry a grinder, your gen supplies the power. They could fire up the grinder be thru any lock, grabbed the genny n ran before you even wondered why your lights were off let alone got outside.

Rgds

Ron
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