Winches

Submitted: Monday, Aug 11, 2003 at 19:24
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Hi All
I just had a conversation with the guys at ARB in Thomastown regarding a Warn winch for my new 78 Series Troopy.
I had in mind a 12000lb model they recomended only a 9500lb model.
One reason stated was the weight consideration on the front end.

It was also stated that a 9500lb model would be more than enough for my vehicle.
Whats the consensus of opinion out there about it.

Regards
John
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Reply By: Member - AndrewPatrol - Monday, Aug 11, 2003 at 20:01

Monday, Aug 11, 2003 at 20:01
Do you remember how the car felt after the bullbar was fitted. I was amazed when mine was on, it transformed the handling and made it worse- makes me wonder about the dayt when I fit a winch. With the dosh you save, how about a snatch block or two, for the days when you MAY need the winch, meanwhile your handling etc won't be as bad as it could be??????
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Follow Up By: John - Monday, Aug 11, 2003 at 20:18

Monday, Aug 11, 2003 at 20:18
Hi Andrew
I had the bar fitted from new and have known no different in terms of handling and feel.
Your point is noted, Many Thanks for the input.

Regards
John
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Follow Up By: John - Monday, Aug 11, 2003 at 20:18

Monday, Aug 11, 2003 at 20:18
Hi Andrew
I had the bar fitted from new and have known no different in terms of handling and feel.
Your point is noted, Many Thanks for the input.

Regards
John
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Reply By: Voxson (Adelaide) - Monday, Aug 11, 2003 at 20:01

Monday, Aug 11, 2003 at 20:01
I would go with the ARB boys.... I am sure they would have sold you the dearer winch if they thought it would be the right one for the vehicle...
If you only need it for the every now and then moment like me when it needs to pull you up the last part of a sand dune or you get stuck in the middle of a creek etc..... a 9500 would be fine........ if you need to winch your car straight up the side of a cliff,, well maybe the other one is needed....
but if the going gets a little tough for my little 9000lb'er i just break out a snatch block or two and sit back and relax............_____________________________________________

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Follow Up By: John - Monday, Aug 11, 2003 at 20:16

Monday, Aug 11, 2003 at 20:16
Hi Vox
It did cross my mind that if they said the more expensive model they would have made more money.
I am fitting diff locks front and rear and I guess the advised was also based on the fact that I would probably not have to use it much (Live in hope) as the lockers would probably get me out of most situations.
And as you say a snatch block would be an obvious help.

Regards
John
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Follow Up By: Voxson (Adelaide) - Monday, Aug 11, 2003 at 20:24

Monday, Aug 11, 2003 at 20:24
Yeah..... If i had diff locks i dont think i would have had to use the winch yet.. They are awsome......._____________________________________________

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Reply By: landie - Monday, Aug 11, 2003 at 20:56

Monday, Aug 11, 2003 at 20:56
Someone once told me that once you put Diff Locks on you'll be guaranteed to need a winch.......
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Reply By: Eric - Monday, Aug 11, 2003 at 20:57

Monday, Aug 11, 2003 at 20:57
I found my 9000 X9 a breeze to get my 80 series out of a bad situation @ Toolangi on the weekend , the X9 weighs in at 50 kg and dropped the front end almost an inch , I also have a snach block , just in case
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Follow Up By: Allyn (Pilbara) - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003 at 17:43

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003 at 17:43
G'day Eric
I'm fitting a new bar to my 80 very soon and am currently contemplating the winch option. I'm having trouble getting my head around the fact that a 50 kg winch dropped your front end an inch. Obviously this is correct but I'm astounded.
Am looking at the 9500 which I believe is only 35 kg's but again unsure as to if I really need to put one there or not. Not keen on losing any height and to date can't say as I've ever needed a winch at all. Lot of money, lot of maintenance but might be a good thing one day I suppose. Looks good I guess.Next Trek - Callawa Rd
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Follow Up By: Eric - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003 at 18:46

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003 at 18:46
The one thing I will add is that the front springs had been heat treated for more hight , This may be a reason for more than the usuall 1/2 inch give in the front end , I will purchase a set of king springs on Monday to see the diffrence . Whenever you purchase springs they always ask if you are fitting a winch , this I guess is to compensate for the weight .
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Aug 11, 2003 at 21:06

Monday, Aug 11, 2003 at 21:06
Majority of people with winches never use them Lockers or not.

12,000LB winch is a HUGE item, you dont need one.. If your going with lockers, again if your not sure, a 8000LB High Mount would serve you better.

9500HS would be very good, they have good reports on the net about them.
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Follow Up By: Member - Paul T- Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003 at 07:55

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003 at 07:55
Truckster

Being a novice I am not 'winch' lingo conversant. What is a 'high mount' winch and where on the net might I be able to look at one?

Cheers

PT
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003 at 10:14

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003 at 10:14
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003 at 10:16

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003 at 10:16
www.bigballsoffroad.com is where you can see the different types.

I had a large reply with the differences, but this bleep heap page wouldnt let me load it for some reason....

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Follow Up By: bruce.h (WA) - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003 at 14:01

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003 at 14:01
Im with you on this one truckster
20 years of 4wding i have used a winch maybe 2 or three times
Would i fit one? only if i got it realy cheap , heaps better things to buy that can gather dust
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Follow Up By: Voxson (Adelaide) - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003 at 17:19

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003 at 17:19
You guys are making me feel useless.... I have had my elect winch 1yr and seem to use it at least once or twice on each trip, most times for my own recovery, but a lot of my stuff is solo vehicle...._____________________________________________

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Follow Up By: Eric - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003 at 18:50

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003 at 18:50
I am with you Voxson , I think that if I didn't have it I wouldnt go as hard . I enter places I probably wouldn'd but because the winch is there I think what the heck . Another thing is that once you use one , you get to love it . Also comes in handy to move trees lol
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Reply By: John - Monday, Aug 11, 2003 at 21:58

Monday, Aug 11, 2003 at 21:58
Hi All
Truckster hit the nail on the head a 12000lb winch is actually twice the weight as the 9500lb.
The comment about diff locks getting you into trouble and needing the winch to get out is also quite valid.
As I said once before, "What a great site this is" the info and responses both positive and negative are terrific.
If the world talked more we all might learn to be better off.
Keep up the comments.

Thanks
John
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Reply By: cj - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003 at 09:17

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003 at 09:17
You might also want to keep in mind that ARB only guarantee their winch bars with the correct rated winch so if you fit a higher capacity winch you are on your own if it causes a problem.
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003 at 15:50

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003 at 15:50
If your serious about a 12000lb warn, Alan at Outback Accessories in Seaford has one second hand forsale, looks BRAND NEW, I was just there..

He also has a X9 forsale
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Follow Up By: John - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003 at 18:59

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003 at 18:59
Hi Truckster
Thanks for your effort in letting me know, I appreciate your effort.

Regards
John
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003 at 19:03

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003 at 19:03
No skin off my nose ;)~

Alans a great bloke too.

Oh the other thing, depends on what sort of bar you have as to what winch you fit....

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Reply By: Old Jack - Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003 at 21:04

Tuesday, Aug 12, 2003 at 21:04
Hi john and others than are new to all this winching stuff. it would be worth takeing a look at this site

http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/Recovery/index.html

before you go buying winching gear. take into consideration what your truck will weigh fully loaded then apply the load factors on this site to give yourself an idea of what you are doing when winching! 1.5 times the weigh might not really be enough! ie 3000 kg truck 45 degree incline bogged up to the axles(it happens) is equal to twice vehicial weight(for being bogged) plus another 75% vehcial weight for the slope factor equals about 8,250kg's not pounds, while using a few snatch blocks might allow the winch to move the load the wire rope is only designed to take a bit over 4000kg when it's new, that 12,000 pound winch might be a better idea than first meets the eye!

I don't mean to panic anyone but you can't defy the laws of physics without the possibility of it biting you on the butt.

will a 4000kg(9000lb) winch move it? yes with a few blocks, wich one is going to be safer & possibly faster to use the 9000lb or the 12000lb? the 12,000lb. on the other hand are you really intending to get that stuck????? that often?? who knows!
remenber to use a crain you need training & a special licence, in the case of moving a stuck 4$wd you are just doing it sideways!

Oh and why after going metric so many years ago do they insist on quoting in pounds (other to make things sound bigger ie 4000kg winch verse 9000lb?)

Safe travelling

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