Auto or manual

Submitted: Saturday, Jan 17, 2009 at 22:43
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Hi All

Is there much difference between auto and manual 4wd,
Is manual better.

peter
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Jan 17, 2009 at 22:48

Saturday, Jan 17, 2009 at 22:48
Trying to stir up a hornets nest are we.

The auto owners like me will say its best as will the manual owners say theirs is best.

Entirely up to you Go and drive both and decide, depending on what you are used to.


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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 10:46

Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 10:46
Um, no, not necessarily so.

I'm a Manual Owner (previously auto) and have no doubt that for 95% of offroad work an Auto leaves a Manual for dead.

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Jim.

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Reply By: stefan & 12 times Dakar winner - Saturday, Jan 17, 2009 at 22:50

Saturday, Jan 17, 2009 at 22:50
main difference seems to be the third pedal and lack of T-bar on top of the gear stick. :)
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Follow Up By: stefan & 12 times Dakar winner - Saturday, Jan 17, 2009 at 22:53

Saturday, Jan 17, 2009 at 22:53
but really, what do you want to do with it? Sand=auto, steep down hills=manual ect.

Depends on what you prefer, I beleive auto is easier in most 4wd stuff. But I just prefer manual and it has never stopped me going where the autos go.

Cheers Stefan
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Reply By: stephen looking - Saturday, Jan 17, 2009 at 23:23

Saturday, Jan 17, 2009 at 23:23
G'day Peter, got to agree with Stefan, and from my experience i have always owned manuals mates have autos and there 4bys are nice to drive, chuck in front and rear air difflocks and it will basically drive for you.

For the amount of off road you do i think an auto is better and, they will go any where a manual will go.
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Reply By: Crackles - Saturday, Jan 17, 2009 at 23:49

Saturday, Jan 17, 2009 at 23:49
Autos are better for going up hills, city driving & sand while manuals are better for coming down steep hills, have better econemy, cheaper purchase price & towing. Auto's also generally wear out their brakes considerabley quicker.
Having driven manual 4x4's all my life I must conceede the new auto's are as good if not better offroad than a manual but still can't see myself owning a girls gearbox particually as I enjoy driving my cars.
Cheers Craig...........
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony B (Malanda FNQ) - Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 06:56

Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 06:56
Craig. Good point of view, I also like driving a car. Have an auto for work - just like a car with a gearbox, with gears to change.
On another front - have they fixed the problem with getting towed with the auto? Also you can not do a bump start, all handy things out bush. Cheers Tony
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 09:26

Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 09:26
"-have they fixed the problem with getting towed with the auto?"
I don't think they have although mechanics tell me short distances at slow speeds are not an issue, then really if you need to tow a long way it only takes 15 minutes to drop the drive shafts out.
Cheers Craig..........
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Follow Up By: Chaz - Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 16:37

Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 16:37
Towing in a 4 wheel drive auto has never a problem. Just put the transfer in neutral, then it’s no different to a manual.
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 17:07

Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 17:07
"Towing in a 4 wheel drive auto has never a problem"
Just watch the caravan & trailer brigade with auto's come down Mt Hotham. Their brakes are literally smoking by the time they get to Harrietville. Nothing quite like a manual for engine braking & when towing it's all the more important.
Cheers Craig..............
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Follow Up By: Chaz - Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 17:13

Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 17:13
Sorry, I should have said "Towing an Auto" not "towing with an auto". The lack of being able to edit a post?????
I agree though, and thats another reason why it shouldn't be done in O/D.
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Follow Up By: Member - Damien L (Cairns) - Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 21:27

Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 21:27
I prefer a manual against auto with any car or truck. You drive a manual but the autos drive themselves.
Its like I've seen the youg kids go and buy a flash Hot Holden or ford Sports Hsv or what ever and get it in auto gears, may as well not drive a hot car, IMHO.
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Follow Up By: Chaz - Monday, Jan 19, 2009 at 04:32

Monday, Jan 19, 2009 at 04:32
There are a few reason for that. Generally auto's are stronger and in most cases, quicker over a short distance.

I gave up racing with a manual when I found that I couldn't beat an auto that had less power. I also got sick of replacing clutches.

I'd like to have a car that drives itself. Would give me more time to enjoy the scenery.
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Reply By: dizzy - Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 00:08

Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 00:08
Used to have manuals. Now have my first auto and the jury is still out after six years.
Some times I wish I could have both in the same vehicle.
The DiscoTD5 is close in low range however it is not much different from any other auto in high.

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Reply By: Robin Miller - Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 07:49

Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 07:49
Its not really the auto/ manual Peter its the combination of the gearbox and engine.

What you have to be able to do is deliver sufficent steady torque to the wheels over a wide speed range.

E.G. Many of todays turbo'ed Diesels no longer have a wide powerband and need an auto to keep them in the powerband.

Whereas my manual Petrol can deliver a high torque from below 1000 to over 5000 rpm making the advantages of the auto in assisting to get of the line not needed - i.e. you have your cake and can eat it to.
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Reply By: Axel [ the real one ] - Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 09:42

Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 09:42
As others have said ,if you plan to do a lot of sand an Auto is better ,the advantage being that no matter how adept at cog swapping anyone is in a manual ,power is lost for that split second that a manual gear change takes ,,if you live in a city with the miriad of traffic lights ,go the auto unless u like to have your left leg bigger than the right,,lol ;)
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Reply By: get outmore - Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:07

Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:07
heaps of difference
autos arnt available on the best bush wagons sold in oz in recent years

4.2 patrol wagon or ute or the cruiser ute or solid axle wagon

if you dont require a a no comprasmise bush 4by then you get a choice
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:12

Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:12
I have two manual and one auto 4wd's.

I would suggest that you start with the idea that you want an auto and try and find reasons why not. I reckon you can't go past an auto in any 4wd conditions and the only thing that you can't do in an auto is crash (bump) start it.

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Reply By: Chaz - Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 17:04

Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 17:04
Peter,
It all depends on what you want to do with the car, but the only time that I would buy a manual would be if I needed to do a lot of heavy towing. Light to moderate towing is better in an auto, but very heavy towing will get the transmission hot unless it’s modified.
Personally, I will never buy another manual but I do modify my auto’s and if set up properly they can be a pleasure to drive. A modern auto is no less efficient than a manual and can do everything easier than any manual including down hill a decent if you know the tricks.
Auto’s put less shock on the driveline and you won’t need to periodically replace clutches, much easier to negotiate obstacles and that’s why most comp cars are auto’s.
Also if you feel inclined, you can always change gear manually.
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Reply By: Les B (Nth QLD) - Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 17:23

Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 17:23
I've had manual 4wd's for 30+ years and now into my 4th year with an auto. Love the auto allround particularly the better control of speed for steep rugged ascents reducing the risk of damage to vehicle and track. For steep descents I believe the torque convertor locks up in low first anyway.
The only disadvantage with auto I see is you cannot bump start!
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Follow Up By: stefan & 12 times Dakar winner - Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 18:26

Sunday, Jan 18, 2009 at 18:26
"The only disadvantage with auto I see is you cannot bump start!"

Let me just say for 95% of the time yes an Auto will do the job with alot less fuss than a manual.

But in regards to the coment high lighted above, One other disadvantage with auto would be the bill come rebuild time! Plus a clutch looked after by some one who knows how to drive stick right would last for 200000km plus anyway.

Cheers Stefan
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