One spare for six wheels?.....the need to reduce weight carrier

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You see all these 4bies strutting round the place with 2 x humungous wheels behind the cab of a ute or hanging off the rear of a wagon. To be sure to be sure....to have enough spares just in case.

Now, I have only destroyed one tyre completely in the past 5 years(a plurry Cooper). These days I get around with 16 ply rating and 14 ply rating crossply tyres on the wagon and trailer.

The need is there to reduce weight. So my reasoning is I will leave the trailer spare at home in the future as it is less likely that I will destroy one of these tyres.

Yes I know. What if? I am sure however, and taking the past three years travel into account, and only one puncture in an extreme off road situation, that I should be able to get by with only one spare.

Any thoughts on this subject :-)


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Reply By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 21:15

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 21:15
I hope your trailer tyres are same size as cars Willem
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 21:26

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 21:26
Yes Robin....all matching 7.50x16 rims and wheels. Trailer hubs have even been converted to Nissan wheel specs.
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Reply By: Member - Warfer (VIC) - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 21:16

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 21:16
Now that you have mentioned it Will the Ol Murphys law will apply now i think ! ~(*-)

When we were away recently a Lancruiser got a puncture (Coopers) split across the tread,he had done 75k on it though,so he had 3 days of whether one of the others were to go pop...It made it...

It would stress me out though..


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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 21:34

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 21:34
Yes I know you would stress. Not good for one of such tender age :-)


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Follow Up By: Tim - Stratford (VIC) - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 13:17

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 13:17
Warfer,

No need to have stressed - I have four Landcruiser rims with Coopers on in the shed - could have done a mercy dash up the road!



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PS - better check them though - may have got a flat sitting in the shed!!!! - Coopers......
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Follow Up By: Member - Warfer (VIC) - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 13:53

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 13:53
Thanks Timbo I'll let John Know your on 24 hour call free of charge !

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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 21:27

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 21:27
Yes Willie....... I'm one of those who struts about the place with 2 humungus (well, 35" @ 50kg each) spares on the back of my rig. I've been thinking the same thing for a while now....

But like somebody else has said, if I take one off and leave it at home, Murphy's Law will cut me down like a header going through a wheat paddock!!!

Like you, my spare/s have to cover the need of 6 on the ground; they all the same size and profile. I'm sposed to carry one on the camper trailer, but due to the larger than normal size, the spare won't fit in the allocated spot on the Ultimate; hence my "need" to carry 2 on the 'trol.

Hmmmm......next set of tyres will be 285/75R16 and I'll just be having one on the 'trol and one on the camper.

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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 21:38

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 21:38
Yeah Bill....you really need an OKA or a Hino or a Canter with a throbbing bigger V8 to cart all the gear. Soon the boys will want to take their bikes, skateboards, surfboards, girlfriends along and you will need all that space!!!!....LOL


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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Jan 23, 2009 at 09:58

Friday, Jan 23, 2009 at 09:58
Gday Roachie,
I've upsized to two spares on the back now with HF in the middle. Weighed it all last week - 285/75R16 Bridgestone LT on a toyota alloy rim weighs 35kg. Same tyre on a Toyota steel rim weighs 40kg. In the past, a skinny tyre on a split weighed 32kg.

By going alloy, I've saved 30kgs.
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Reply By: Top End Explorer Tours - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 21:46

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 21:46
Hey Willem.

Is it weight or space that is the problem??

Could you not mount the trailer spare under the trailer like an 80/100 series? you could pick up a bracket at the wreckers, but with you welding perhaps have someone else mount it for you LOL.

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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 21:52

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 21:52
Hahahahaha...yeah my welding ain't that good, eh?



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Follow Up By: Member - Luke (SA) - Monday, Jan 26, 2009 at 23:01

Monday, Jan 26, 2009 at 23:01
Bring it down here Willem and I'll do it for you!
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Reply By: Splits - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 21:47

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 21:47
Willem

I think you should be ok with those tyres. They are just about indestructible and I noticed Mick Hutton said on his site they are almost always repairable if something does manage to get through them.

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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 21:56

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 21:56
Brian

Yep, that is what I figure. I am going on an extended remote trek this year and need to keep the trailer as light as possible as we need to carry 30 days food, 240lts diesel and 140lts of water in the trailer

I did stake a 12 ply in the sidewall last year but just replaced the tube. The hole in the tube was only the size of a mouse tit anyway and I patched it.


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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 21:52

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 21:52
'Scuse me Willem......what's that about OKAs?

Who was it that said that Murphey was an opimist?

First trip in the OKA after camper was built was to Ruddall River etc, etc. with BRAND new rubber all round. Staked 2 tyres in 40 minutes. Plugged both though, so no drama.

Did see a guy totally destroy 3 new tyres (2 on car, 1 on trailer) in a camping area on a single tent peg though, so the risk is there, from a single source.

I carry 2 spares, with or without trailer (all wheels are interchangable). I figure the trailer can run on the rim if worst comes to worst.

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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 22:02

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 22:02
Peter

I was suggesting that Roachie buy an OKA...lol

I guess that you are running radials?


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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 23:30

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 23:30
Not aware of any cross plies suitable Willem.
I'm running 305/70R 19.5 all steel Michelin XDE2.

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Reply By: Motherhen - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 22:28

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 22:28
Hi Willem

I reason that if you have them you won't need them, if you don't have them you will need them. I know which option i choose, even if they are heavy, and take up valuable space (second spare goes in tray of F250). The theory worked - no tyre problems in the 15,000 kms last year. But i have to watch that Murphy.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 23:11

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 23:11
Yes Motherhen but I think Murphy is a relation of yours???..lol

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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 23:22

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 23:22
Nah, more like my biggest fan and follower.

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Reply By: x - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 22:57

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 22:57
Willem,
To me, enjoying a trip means not having to worry about impending disaster. Nearly two years ago I was some 500 km west of Alice Springs with no spare wheels ( two of the three spares were non OEM wheels and needed different wheel nuts which I forgot to pack, and the third was a side wall stake in a 300 km old tyre). Yes I had the plugs and the compressor, but I was sufficiently concerned to wake at 0200 thinking about it.
On the most recent trip I had four spare wheels. Admittedly, we were heading south from Balgo across country, so it was remote, and puncturesome, but I slept like a top at night. Didn't get a puncture after we left Halls Creek - so you could argue that four spares were overkill.
Personally, I'd rather compromise on other items and overdo the rubber, as well as having pressure and temperature monitoring on each wheel.
I've had an absolutey magic run from the Cooper STs and STCs. Apart from the sidewall stake (its been repaired and is still rotating) I get about 70,000 kms from each tyre and no punctures. The lady running the tyre place at Halls Creek said tyre trouble seems to be related more to the driver rather than the tyre.

Maybe she's right.

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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 23:27

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 23:27
Bob

My only puncture in a while was about 150km north-east of Dwarf Well last year when I staked the 4ply sidewall of an MRF crossply. I now have 6 ply sidewall MRF's.

At times I too have been paranoid about punctures and when I was running Coopers carried two extra spares on the roofrack. That busted the roofrack as we were doing a hard mile through the Simpson. I converted the whole rig to crossplies after that.

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Reply By: Member - Mick O (VIC) - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 23:12

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 23:12
You are so shallow big fella!

You know my propensity for destroying tyres. I know for a fact that when you're (that's YOU) out there leading, you take the punctures for the team. Regardless of Coopers, BFG or MT, it's gonna happen!. When a desert calls...you better be prepared. Bloody hell I'm so cheap I've even got Roachies old dual RWC hanging off the back of my Patrol. Guess what I'm going out with next time...Absolutely no MTF's and Seven (7) TYRES. 4+2 on rims (c'os I've got Bills old dual wheel carrier) and one new carcass. Don't worry I'll be bringing tubes. spaghetti, patches and supa-glue.

Here's to the Sandy '09.

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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 23:31

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 23:31
Mick baby

You come with those tyres and I will watch you with glee while you plug and replug and stuff spinifex in them to keep 'em round....while I am sitting in me chair downing something cool......LOL

Better go Tail end Charlie so that the others can make a road for your limousine............



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Follow Up By: Member - Mick O (VIC) - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 23:36

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 23:36
You smooth talking devil...I accept your offer. I'll be down the arse end of the convoy big fella...and loving it!

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Follow Up By: Member - Mick O (VIC) - Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 23:38

Wednesday, Jan 21, 2009 at 23:38
Did you hear that Canadian moose lovers.......I'll be down the back for a change and letting other people take the punctures for the team!!!!!

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Follow Up By: Ozhumvee - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 08:09

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 08:09
Mick, I'll be at the tail end, by then all you blokes will have cleared the track for me ;-)))
I think I'll just fit another compressor and keep blowing them up on the go.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 08:14

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 08:14
Now now...no fighting at the back of the pack!!!!
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 00:04

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 00:04
Willem
My thoughts..........If you take it and don't use it, that's good, if you leave it home and need it ...........That's bad .

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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 00:13

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 00:13
Bit like hankies....Doug
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Follow Up By: Member - Footloose - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 07:33

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 07:33
Doug, up to a point I totally agree. That point is when the extra stuff you take makes the vehicle so heavy that it doesn't function correctly, or lowers the economy or it does tyres in or.......

I have lashed a spare casing to my bullbar on a couple of trips. I don't recommend it. But I brought both of them home. These days I just run the tubeless around town with two spares just in case.

My worst run with tyres was 6 punctures in 6 weeks. And that was around town with worn tyres. Replaced them and no more punctures.
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Reply By: Pete Jackman (SA) - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 01:06

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 01:06
I remember a 1991 trip from VRD to Kulkaringi in two army land rovers along a rough track on a gibber plain with 1:250,000 JOG maps and one of the first hand held GPS units.

All was good until we met a grader in the middle of nowhere leveling the road by smashing the gibbers and turning the sharp edges upright. :o(

20 km and 6 staked tyres later (all through the tread) we were out of spares and ended up putting the radio vehicle up on rocks, pinching the wheels for spares and loading up all the flats for a 6 hour round trip to get replacements. At least they had a hydraulic tyre changer at the settlement.

Perhaps take two tires without rims to save weight and plan on changing tyres if you can't plug 'em.

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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 08:04

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 08:04
Pete

Yup, may just remove the rim. It is a split rim so weighs a bit. And I can store stuff in it on the drawbar (relocated weight).
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Reply By: Member - Lionel A (WA) - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 07:49

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 07:49
Willem, I'd love to have 2 huge spares hanging off the back, and the high-lift strapped to one and a fancy light on the other.

Also would'nt mind one of those big telescopic aerials bolted on the rear bar.

The car would look as though it really means business.

Alas, have'nt the $'s or the ego for a setup like that.

Luckily I have'nt had any issues with tyres, brand or types, just the asian tubes [they let go anywhere, bitumen or dirt].

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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 08:13

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 08:13
Geez Lionel

You have spotlights...that's more than I have...lol

Is that an MK Nissan? I notice the spare wheel on the left side.

I came to realise over the years that all of the fancy gear is just extra weight too and the incidence of you actually using it was minimal. Blooming vibration of the HF aerial on the bullbar broke bolts and welds on a number of vehicles. So I dispensed with it.

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Reply By: Ozhumvee - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 08:11

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 08:11
Willem
With six wheels on the road personally I'd be carrying two spares, but repairing a tyre on the track is no big deal and we will have plenty of time.
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Follow Up By: troopyman - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 09:28

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 09:28
Stop posting , i cannot help drooling over your humvee .
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Follow Up By: Ozhumvee - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 09:39

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 09:39
Yes it is a great bush vehicle, don't have to worry about pinstriping, while it isn't the fastest thing on the highway (especially on hills) it plods along and when the surface turns to dirt it is in its element. Will lope along all day at 80-90 and take everything in its stride.
Want better traction in softer going, the just drop the tyre pressures on the go, hit the tar and blow them back up again.
Rides heaps better than the cruiser and being wider with a very low (sill height in the centre of the truck just in front of the B pillar) c of g it is very stable.
As it is 21 y/o old this year I've been doing a bit of servicing and replacing wear items in prep for the big trip later in the year.
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Reply By: Steve63 - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 09:37

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 09:37
Hi Willem,
Good question. I suppose it depends if you want to repair a puncture on the track if you get more than one. No big deal but a pain if it is 2pm and 45 degrees with no shade. Until our last trip I would have said it was an ok risk. Most trips we have had none or one puncture for the trip. Last trip we had eight. Another vehicle had 10 and only did half the trip. The third car had none. We were all driving at the same speed, rotated the lead so it was mainly luck. We twice had two punctures in one day and one serious staking. So now I would say swap the second spare for a tyre only.

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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 13:41

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 13:41
Hi Steve

Fixing a puncture at 2pm isn't fun. Came across the old blokes(older than me anyway so they must be really old) on the Birdsville Track in 07. Just on 2pm and they blew a Cooper. There they were lying on the ground trying to wind up a bottle jack. So I whipped out the trolley jack and give them a hand. Then they had the spares on the roof of the ute. Took two blokes to lift one down (another not so smart idea...lol).

Yeah I suppose after the first puncture you would be wondering just when the next one was going to happen :-)


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Reply By: Ozhumvee - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 09:41

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 09:41
Willem I forgot to add that I never carry a second spare rim just the tyre case with a rust band and tube with a few pounds of air in it to keep the tyre case clean inside.
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:15

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:15
G'day Willem,

How's things?

I'm a 2 spare advocate, especially running around the station, or doing quick trips to Camooweal, the Isa or Longreach. Also think I'm one of thjose tyre wreckers, mentioned in a post above.

Have been to Kakadu & return, in Linda's 80 series, with only one spare with no dramas. They were BFG AT's then.

However, if you have a weight issue.....err, I meant vehicle/trailer weight, no offence. LOL then I'd be dispensing with the rim, and just take a spare case, tube & rust band, as Peter suggested. E Those MRF's are pretty heavy anyway.

Hope you get some rain again soon. We've had heaps.

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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 13:29

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 13:29
Yeah Bob

I have a weight issue too...comes with old age and beer....lol

Was looking at carting the generator around but need to put it outside the trailer due to fuel smells. But on second thoughts might just leave things the way they are and leave the genset at home.

Not a cloud in skies since 27 December 08....bugga!


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Reply By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:41

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:41
G'day Willem,

I am also a 2 spare person. Really had no substance for that position until I did 2 tyres within 100K coming out of Birdsville. They were relatively new Bridgstones as we had only done about 10,000K of uneventful travel. The thought of doing a repair in the heat of the day was not very attractive.

I suppose it goes to ones state of relaxation and I must confess that we were pretty relaxed after 3 months of travel but I'm guessing when I'm retired I will be even more relaxed about those issues.

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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 13:35

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 13:35
G'day THeo

Yes I know but running proper tyres these days with tubes and inch thick sidewalls. Incidences of punctures on outback roads should be minimal. Staking tyres in the never never is always a concern.

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Reply By: troopyman - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05
Couldnt you strap a tyre carcass to the bullbar . No more weight on the arse end and more pedestrian friendly .
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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 13:32

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 13:32
No pedestrians where I go....LOL

That is too much weight on the front of the vehicle. Already have a winch hanging off the front.
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Reply By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 13:52

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 13:52
Willem,

The way I see it, you are carrying three spares for the car. If you REALLY have to, you will always be able to leave the trailer and continue on to get some help.

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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 15:11

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 15:11
Matt

At prersent I have one spare for the GQ and one spare for the trailer. So I was thinking of doing away with the trailer spare to reduce weight.

Leaving anything, even out in the bush, is hazardous....lol


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Reply By: Moose - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 14:22

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 14:22
G'day Willem
Since you're travelling with others doesn't anyone else have the same size tryes? If so highly unlikely insufficient tyres exist between the group. Maybe you could make that a condition for coming along :-)
I gave up on a second spare yonks ago - never seem to totally destroy tyres and just fix the punctures. Mind you I don't go offroad to the extreme extent you do.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 15:21

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 15:21
Hi Moose

Yep. some of the vehicles on the next trip will have identical tyres and rims. Trouble is I would not want to rely on anyone for assistance unless absolutely necessary. People normaly rely on the trip leader not to make a mistake...LOL. I don't actually have a second spare just a spare for the truck and a spare for the trailer.


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Follow Up By: Moose - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 15:38

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 15:38
Willem - What are friends for if not to assist their mates! You'll have to totally stuff 2 tyres before you have to rely on your mates. Based on your history with tyres and care in driving I'd say it's a punt worth taking. Cheers mate.
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Reply By: Lotzi - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 14:52

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 14:52
G'day Willem
I'm superstitious, don't talk about tyres, but always use heavy ply light truck in the vehicle and trailers, good tyres on the bus and drive a bit slower, watch my tyres pressures, read the tracks/road and drive a bit slower than everyone else.
I will say it seems to work and keeps my tyre changing skills rusty.
all the best
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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 15:25

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 15:25
Lotzi

I have only had one puncture since the end of touring season 2006 after switching back to splits and crossplies. I too watch where the wheels go and take the foot off the loud pedal.

Every 12 months I split the rims and clean them and keep them painted. Bugger of a job especially for an old croc like me but it keeps me off the streets...lol and keeps my tyre changing skills up.


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Follow Up By: Lotzi - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 15:40

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 15:40
G'day Willem
That's the advantage of the ol split rim, amazing what you find when you pull them apart at your leisure/convenience, plus while they are off the vehicle you do tend to look around for shiny bits.

Oh, ease up on the old croc bit... I almost need a nubile young wench to get the twist top of the rum.. lol ....
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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 16:07

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 16:07
Nubile young wenches are few and far between......sigh

If you said "Where have you been all my life" they might retort, "I wasn't born for the first three quarters of it"...hahahahaha!


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Reply By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 17:21

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 17:21
Willem,

Murphy's Law does seem to apply here- it did to me anyway on my last trip to the Kimberley.

I went without my usual spare on the roof rack as I wanted to sleep up there with my swag- a room with a view.

On the way over, going through Gregory NP I blew out a rear tye and destroyed the rim. I tried all places to get a new rim and finally found a second hand one in Kununurra. I spent the rest of the trip worrying about another similar scenario.

Willie.

PS I just returned this arvo from two days gold sluicing at the the Shoalhaven River. Hard work , but good fun - especiall being next to the river in the heat.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 20:40

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 20:40
I remember you destroying a tyre out west of Alice in 2006. Yer, heavy on tyres....lol

So did you do any good at Shoalhaven River? Had an email from Fred who has found something special. I haven't been out lately.


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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Friday, Jan 23, 2009 at 08:19

Friday, Jan 23, 2009 at 08:19
Willem,

We all remember selectively, I guess. I remember you cruising through the dunes in the Clellands, in second gear, driving stakes into your sidewalls, and then moaning about crappy Coooper tyres !

What "special thing" did Fred find, or is it so secret, so valuable, so immense, it can only be whispered about ?

Once you have sluiced away for about an hour, you empty the sludge from the trays into a bucket. This process is repeated until you have had enough and you tootle off home to pan this sludge in the privacy and comfort of your backyard. For a cubic metre we might have got 1 to 2 gm at the most ( I think ).

As I said, hard work.

Willie.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Jan 23, 2009 at 08:32

Friday, Jan 23, 2009 at 08:32
I think that moaning about Coopers is par for the course.....lol

I will email Freds address to you


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Reply By: Sigmund - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 17:55

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 17:55
This bit of info is prob not at all transferable, but FWIW, I ride sport motorbikes hard on the black stuff. But when coming up to gravel stop for around 20 mins to let the rubber cool off; reduces punctures big time.

Also have found that whether on the black stuff or gravel most punctures happen when the tread is low, as suggested above.

That said, 5k km out of a back tyre is a good result :-{
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