Generators in National Parks

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Will be doing a trip in June from Perth to Darwin to Alice to Adelaide and back to Perth with all points in between and in a caravan (large). Planning on visiting and camping within many national parks as we go. Have been told that generators are not allowed to be used in national parks. Is this correct because if so I will consider solar power.

Can anyone suggest what size solar system I would need to power a caravan, Waeco and a couple of lights please?
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Reply By: Member - Tony B (Malanda FNQ) - Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 19:27

Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 19:27
Some States do Some do not allow it. I found the best way is to research the Parks you are likely yo go to and the info is avaiable on the web. From memory SA Will not allow them in their parks. Takes a while but worth it to find out a bit more about the parks you intend to see before you go. Have fun. Cheers Tony
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony B (Malanda FNQ) - Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 19:31

Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 19:31
Solar would be at least 2 x 80w PANELS AND 2 X 100AMP HR DEEP CYCLES. LINK TO GOOD INFO

Solar Power Link

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Follow Up By: mildew - Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 23:05

Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 23:05
Thanks Tony. I'll have a look at that site.
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 23:38

Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 23:38
Hi Tony
BANNED in all NSW & QLD NAT PARKS & rightly so.
YES there may be some & you may be a considerate user in YOUR OPINION
But many who don't use them may not agree due to MOST being inconsiderate.& I have had plenty of that experience.
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 19:40

Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 19:40
It is worth going solar (IMHO) just for the flexibility it gives, irrespective of the fact that they may be allowed or dis-allowed in some places.
Generators are possibly the most anti-social devise that you can use, the last thing that you and your friends want in the otherwise beautiful and peaceful places that you want to spend your time in.

Buy "Solar that Really Works" by Collyn Rivers, but I would guess that a minimum of 160W of panels plus 200AHrs of deep cycle batteries.

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Follow Up By: Member - Tony B (Malanda FNQ) - Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 19:53

Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 19:53
Peter. A bit harsh on gen sets. A good one used properly will not annoy any reasonable person, well they do not annoy me anyway (IE a few hours during the day). The $ to set up Solar is not always available to some. Id rather have a misused gen set than misused trail bikes :-). Cheers Tony
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 20:27

Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 20:27
You are right about the bikes Tony, but the Mildew gave no indication that cash was determining his decision making process.

And if I am camped in some remote spot and someone comes in and starts a gennie, any sort, I will tell them of my displeasure in no uncertain terms. That is unacceptable behavior IMHO.

If I join someone already in camp, then to the extent of what is reasonable, they set the rules.

Not a new discussion, this one ....................

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Reply By: Shaker - Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 20:32

Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 20:32
Solar panels will at least give you something to do, you can spend all day keepimg them to an optimal angle to the sun.
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Reply By: Best Off Road - Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 21:22

Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 21:22
Most decent quality generators emit only a gentle HUM.

The average wanker who complains about them generally farts louder then a gennie.

Use it responsibly and you should get no complaints.

Most people make more noise chatting around a campfire than a Generator would ever produce.

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Jim.

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Follow Up By: Member - Glenn D (NSW) - Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 21:48

Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 21:48
At the other end of the spectrum is the $99 one , as different in noise making as price from a 'decent one'.( hopefully that made sense )

When touring , had everthing set up for 12v .

Worst person I have encountered put their Gen closer to my camp than theirs ,when confronted , they were only running flouros to play cards .

Have to agree though , you can get some good quiet gens .

Glenn.
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Follow Up By: Groove - Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 21:51

Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 21:51
Who the hell wants to go camping to listen to a gentle HUM?
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Follow Up By: Member - Warfer (VIC) - Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 21:52

Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 21:52
Jim how dare you use the word FART on a public forum...

Its generally the devices thats attached to the gennie that can be the issue,Stereos,T.V's etc etc...

Ive actually havnt used mine camping since i bought the bloody thing but lend it to relatives to keep it ticking over.Theres no doubt the sound without the hum is far better...Just nature..


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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 22:40

Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 22:40
"The average wanker who complains about them generally farts louder then a gennie"

Same could be suggested about the "wanker" that fires one up thinking the hum is no issue for anyone else.

Typical of the arrogance shown by people who insist on camping with all the electrical bells and whistles.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 23:10

Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 23:10
"Typical of the arrogance shown by people who insist on camping with all the electrical bells and whistles.


Like a fridge?
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 23:17

Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 23:17
Shaker I run two 40 litre Engels and don't need to disturb the peace with a generator.
Other means are available.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 23:32

Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 23:32
I use & will always use a generator as required, if anybody can hear it ... go away, I was there first!

The High Country is a big place, I camp remote & never ever near anybody else.

Also what about bloody music, kids on mini bikes, loud bogan drunks etc etc???
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 23:55

Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 23:55
"Also what about bloody music, kids on mini bikes, loud bogan drunks etc etc???"

Yes they also can be arrogant issues along with generators pending on where you are camping.



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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 00:21

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 00:21
I'm with you Jim.

Some people just want everything the way they want it and blame the Majority for the problems of the minority.

I have only just bought a gennie and it is fairly quiet and I wouldn't run it unless I wanted to boost up the battery, or run something that needed it...but it would NEVER be at night when other wankers, camping, are listening to their loud music, or talking like they were across a river from the person they were talking to.

And don't say it doesn't happen folks !!



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Follow Up By: Member - Warfer (VIC) - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 01:07

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 01:07
**talking like they were across a river from the person they were talking to.**




I CAN HEAR WHAT YOUR SAYING DUNCS,I'M WITH YA,Oh bleep e my left boot slipped into the river.... NITE !
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 09:31

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 09:31
Two of the worst nights we had on our latest trip was when we had set up and having a coldie, and a van pulls in right next to us, closes every thing up, turns on a gennie (cheaper model by the look of it) and the air con, and then sits in the van having a drink and watching TV. Missed a good sunset, and wrecked the evening for us after a long day's drive. The gennie was louder than my engine idling, and the old paj diesel is not quiet.

They came out for a sit in the cool of the evening about 8pm, on the opposite side of their van to us and the gennie. So I started walking around and asked them if they knew where the noise was coming from? They turned the gennie off about 9pm, after running it for 3 hours.

Almost felt like putting some sugar in the fuel tank at one stage, but desisted.

Had the same thing happen another night.

The alternator on our car is enough doing some trips to last us for weeks keeping the 12v lights and the 29l engel going.
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 09:38

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 09:38
John,

That is the classic example of how not to use a gennie.

Generators, like car stereos and motor bikes, have the propensity to be offensive if used irresponsibly.

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Jim.

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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:09

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:09
Agree Jim,

Couple of other people did pullin after us, and set up a good 50m away.
They had honda gennies, and you could hardly hear them even near their van. The loud gennie most probably spoilt it for them too!
There is always one clown who doesn't think about what they are doing and assumes they have the right to do whatever they need.
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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:27

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:27
Don't put everyone in the same basket.... some of us are courteous with gennie's...and courteous across the board.

I don't worry about people too much as we are all different...and thank god for that!!!

And John, if I want to take all the bells & whistles camping then I will do so. Do you just go with a bedroll like the old cowboys, or do you have a tent, lights, camp ovens, radio, Razors, soap, etc etc etc.

I am not arrogant mate, it is what I LIKE...I don't have to be like you..


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Follow Up By: DIO - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:42

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:42
Here we go again - generator users trying to ram it home to non users (responsible travellers) that gennies are OK - anywhere/anytime. Mate if it's what YOU like then you better stay out of MY camp.
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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:02

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:02
hahaha...good for you Dio...resorting to threats :-)

Funny thing about Australia is that I can go most places and do whatever I like as long as I don't offend or harm anyone. So guess what mate...



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Follow Up By: Ron173 - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:15

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:15
Ha Ha, this is becoming a funny thread.

Go the gennies. I have solar, batteries, and genny.

Use genny when cloudy to charge up battery for fridge, I class that as essential, its a honda, its quiet, and is only ever on for max 3hrs in middle of day, when cloudy.

No one has ever asked me to switch it off, youd never know it was on. And if someone does.... luck and cough come to mind...lol
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:03

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:03
Dunco FYI

Soap does not require a generator.

A razor does not require a generator.

A radio does not require a generator.
(P.S. I own and use several different types.)

A camp oven goes in the fire so also does not require a generator.

Camp lights don't require a generator.

And tents don't require a generator.

I don't lack for anything when I go bush and I don't need a generator to disturb the peace that I seek when I do go bush.

This thread has clearly shown the arrogance of those few that think they can't do without a generator and the disturbance it causes others.

Why bother camping if you need the air con, TV and microwave oven etc, just stay home or go to a motel if you can't live without all the bells and whistles.
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 13:27

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 13:27
I was always taught never to say never.

So I am not going to say I will never use a gennie. :o)

I can see their uses and if I had to they could be a good solution to a particular problem, when solar may not apply or the load is heavy, such as AC on a 40 deg day.

But I prefer not to where I can, as I think most people do.
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Follow Up By: Member - Barnesy - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 23:32

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 23:32
My 4 biggest camper generator hates:
1) running generator to run the wifes haridryer

2) running genny all day to run fridge on freeze, why? to make ice. Why do you need ice out bush? to have champagne on ice stupid.

3) running genny all night to have 3 very large camp floodlights that actually lit up the whole campground. So not only did we have to put up with the annoying buzz but also these great big floodlights blinding us everytime we looked in their direction! At least we didn't need to use our lights that night!

4) overloading the genny to power the electric toaster.

NONE of these are needed when out bush. Inconsiderate campers.

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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 23:50

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 23:50
1. Get rid of wife or give her a crew cut

2. Drink beer...no need for ice stupid

3. Get rid of the circus tent and buy a smaller rig

4. Um...are you stoopid, or drunk

You do what YOU want and I will do what I want. If I annoy you, have the pump to come and tell me...away from the computer keyboard.

There must be a lot of big girls camping out there in in this wonderful land...none of them willing to have a quiet little word to someone that is encroaching on their peace. They would rather have a whinge and whine here, hidden behind the computer screen.

Yawn !!!!!

So much for the ANZAC tradition of Aussies having a bloody go in life. Happy travels everyone.




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Follow Up By: Barnesy - Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 09:20

Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 09:20
Dunco, did I say I didn't tell these loud buggers to keep the noise down?

So annoying people using because they are unwilling to let go of their mod cons is an ANZAC tradition is it? Get a life.

(Bugger my membership has expired)

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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 13:05

Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 13:05
Yawn......


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Reply By: ross - Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 23:09

Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 23:09
Somtimes Mildew you have to go there and see. If there is no one else around ,it cant hurt anyone.
Sometimes there maybe others who also want to use their genset.

You might get away with a 100w solar system if you are using the car to run and recharge batteries.
You will probably need to pull into a caravan park and recharge once or twice a week

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Reply By: jezza68 - Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 23:49

Tuesday, Jan 27, 2009 at 23:49
Most WA parks have Gennie and silent camping areas so you can choose.
Alot of the NT parks have very good commercial campsites with power for a reasonable price. Often less than the cost of running a genset.
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Reply By: mildew - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 00:11

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 00:11
Thanks for all the replies and points of view. I once camped next to another caravan with my 2kva 4 stroke engel gen about 50 meteres from the camp. It was a bit noisy. On the other hand the fellow next to me was running a 2.4kv yamaha 4 stroke inverter sitting under his van awning and you could easily hold a conversation at normal tone. I was amazed how quiet it was.
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Follow Up By: mildew - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 00:21

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 00:21
I found this site which has a link to the parks in WA that will allow generators and the times etc

http://www.dec.wa.gov.au/parks-and-recreation/visitor-information/camping-in-national-parks-and-other-recreation-areas.html
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Reply By: Member - Heather G (NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 06:25

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 06:25
We tried to keep a 190litre Waeco fridge and the rest of the van powered with two 64watt panels and 2 100amphr batteries on our big trip last winter in sunny Qld. Found we had to move on after a day or two as the fridge was so thirsty, even when the weather was sunny! It was ok when we travelled every day, otherwise we think we probably needed at least double the amount of solar.

We hate generators but had to buy one and used it in wet and cloudy weather, when it was essential. and when we were either by ourselves or in a 'generator friendly' camping area.
(It was very useful to have the gennie when we had to charge the 4WDbattery, when in a remote campsite by ourselves, and will be used as emergency back up for power in future).

On our return, we replaced the fridge with a 3-way and have no problems staying for as long as we wish, as we run it on gas.

One of the reasons many people, including ourselves, like to stay in N Pks is because generators arent allowed so if you want to use one I suggest you find alternative campsites to avoid altercations.
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Reply By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 08:40

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 08:40
I know this topic polarises people and has done so for years. I use a genie and would like to think responsibly. There are trips where they are just unavoidable and I might add we are always away from others (long way away). The genie is pretty quite (Honda 20i) and have used it in a NP and when the ranger came around he was impressed how quite it was - he said it would not be a problem. This is common sense! Using the genie has made the trip more enjoyable because we did not have to worry about running out of battery power for the fridges.

As an added advantage we take 240v tools including a welder and these have gone a long way to removing the anxiety on remote travels. The inverter welder runs well from the genie and has seen plenty of action on our trips.

Sorry Mildew for the thread hijack but I thought it important to highlight the benefits of using a genie.

We have mainly travelled with a camper trailer and I found solar problematical. In my van I run solar but take the genie for back up and to run tools if required.

Kind regards
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Reply By: Gronk - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:24

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:24
The trouble is finding responseable users ??

They are no problem if used away from other people and ONLY used during the day.......NOT at 7am or certainly NOT after dark !!

General ambient noise levels are a lot quieter of a night and the hum / drone etc from a gennie is certainly annoying after dark....

If you haven't got the batt power to last the night ( or no batts at all ) then don't expect to camp anywhere near other people......and being somewhere 1st is no excuse to expect other people coming along to put up with your noise ..( this obviously only applies to proper camp grounds.....)
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Reply By: Shaker - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:06

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:06
How many of the anti-generator brigade have got under bonnet showers ?

If you do & have posted your anti-generator sentiments, then the word hypocrite comes to mind!
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 14:30

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 14:30
How many of the genny brigade have an under bonnet shower as well? Double trouble. 2 wrongs still don't make it right ;-)
Cheers Craig............
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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 23:15

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 23:15
I don't need my gennie for a shower....
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Reply By: Wayne David - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 13:48

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 13:48
Telling people where to stick it - I'm curious if anyone has got themselves into bother or knows of others who have by walking into a campsite where the noise is excessive either from generators, music, trail bikes, loud mouths (like me) or what ever.

As much as I've felt like doing it on a few occassions, where's the line in things like this. And let's not forget the 'escallation factor' with drink and emotions. Things could very easily get out of hand.

Is it better to live with it, move, wear ear plugs or what?
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 14:20

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 14:20
Hi Wayne

I saw your note in another thread....

I've always worked on the principal that the situation you walk away from is the one you get to control.

That isn't to say that 'reasoanble' people could not be approached and asked to modify behaviuor, but again I've seen plenty of 'reasonable' people who change their demeanour once challenged.

My family and I are out there to enjoy it....and mind you I'm no wilting wall-flower, just not interested in dealing with situations that may get out of control.....easier to move on if it bothers that much.

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Follow Up By: Wayne David - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 14:41

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 14:41
The Landy - I tend to agree with you about moving on but moving is not always an option.

For example, recently we travelled to Victoria to see the SE coastline, High Country, SW Coast (Great Ocean Rd) and then travel to Mildura along the Murray. Naturally we needed to save for a while afford something like this that was going to take us more that a month.

Where possible we free camp for the reasons that many here could relate to, but for the first part of our trip the Missus booked us into a paid campsite at Cape Conran for 8 days so that we could enjoy day trips and not worry too much about our camper, etc.

After a day a mob of about a dozen showed-up that had the lot. Kids that started screaming at 6am, folk that needed to slam their doors, generators, noisey camp fire sessions and on & on it went. I thought I was going to go nuts.

But like what could I do that wouldn't make the holiday worse than they already managed?

A doubt reporting them for later action by some authority would solve my problem.

Anyway the good news is that after that it was mainly back to bush camping and once again I felt that I had things in my control rather than the control of others. And yep if I didn't kike something I would simply move on to avoid altercations.

But what would others do?

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 15:18

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 15:18
Wayne, you only have to spend a bit of time here to realise that there is plenty of behind the keyboard bravado!
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Reply By: gottabjoaken - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 14:12

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 14:12
It is horses for courses, folks.

Either it is my hearing, or my Honda Eu20i, but QUIET it is NOT.
"Gentle Hum" is in the ears of the listener, and as far as I am concerned, that would be an opinion justified only by a person with limited hearing capabilities.

I hope that I will always be responsible when using the generator, and by good judgement we are set up not to require it at night for lights or tv/radio/music.

However, it is not just generators that cause disturbance.

Frankly, even camp fire conversation from a group 50 metres away can disturb the ambience of a bush camp, so I can't understand the attitude that "it is quiet and wouldn't disturb anyone."

I am certain that I would be able to hear your Honda Eu20i at 50 metres.

Generators used wrongly are as bad as any other form of pollution or littering.

But of course I am renowned as being a grumpy ol' fart.

Ken
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Reply By: ob - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 14:42

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 14:42
I guess use or not of gennies is an argument that is going to go on like Toyota v Nissan, Engel v Waeco etc etc. To me a valuable piece of info that came out of this "discussion" was the way that the opponents presented their respected? points of view indicated who I would be happy to share a campsite with. This being regardless of whether they used a gennie or not. I suspect that some of the gennie noise would be far outwayed by the volume generated by their mouths.

(;-)))))))))

Cheers ob
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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val W (ACT) - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 14:59

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 14:59
well said, ob.
Val.
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Reply By: wendys - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 15:01

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 15:01
Some WA parks certainly have areas set aside for those with gensets. Cape Range NP near Exmouth is one such. Also the Bungles. Just over NT border, Keep River NP allows them. These are ones I know of personally.
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Reply By: mildew - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 16:20

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 16:20
Sorry I asked :(
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 16:47

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 16:47
Do be sorry. Just ignore the side arguments and look for the info you need.

Some valid points raised, and for your information, most NT parks have a gennie area and a non gennie area, keeps everybody happy.
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Follow Up By: OzTroopy - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 16:57

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 16:57
Dont be sorry ....

Your question invoked a whole bunch of answers that typify the sort of responses you are likely to get on the road.

Personally I hate the damn things ... but I put up with the racket in large gazetted camping areas if I have to camp there - although I found its just as quiet parked between two refridgerated semis in a truck stop - in most cases.

In remote location campsites I enjoy nothing more than having some one come up to me and ask if they can recharge batteries with their genny after a few days ... because then I get to say ... sure mate - do it about lunchtime when we are all making a noise.

On the first and second days ... they get told they can use my esky full of ice or the wet bag hanging in the tree.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony B (Malanda FNQ) - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 17:36

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 17:36
Please do not be sorry. Go the solar and if you want to be fully able to be self sufficient also get a 1kva inverter Gen set. They are quite and if you use them as most do just to top up your batteries as needed, no one has the right to complain (I place it well away from the direction of another camp and behind a shield, bush if available and downwind). We are all out there to enjoy our country with as little impact we can. I think the generator haters are a bit over the top on the issue, especially if you only run it a few hours in the arvo. A camp at night with people drinking and loud talk is much more annoying than a quite geni with its constant hum. I have lived in large & loud genny run camps, so I got used to the constant hum I suppose. But I could never get use to the rise and fall of drunken voices.
There are a few heated topics on this forum that will always get this response - as said above keep the good points ignore the pig headed and keep posting your questions.
Have fun with your setup and hope to meet you and your gen set in any camp that allows it. Cheers Tony
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Reply By: Axel [ the real one ] - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 19:43

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 19:43
Contrary to some of the replies you have recieved , gen sets are NOT banned in all Qld Nat parks , and solar is not the be all and end all either ,, camp grounds along the Gibb river rd for example have generator specific areas ,, we found those spots a hell of a lot queiter than the non gen set areas ,,, solar has its place ,works great if you have the time to sit in the one spot for days on end and have the get up and go to shift the panels at least 3-4 times per day to get maximum efficiency ,,,,, a 4 stroke gen used correctly and responsibly is so quiet that most Rangers we met on our last 6 mth trip did not even know that we had one running ,,, remember also that if you are in an area that has TOTAL bans on gen sets you can allways just use the big gen set under your vehicle bonnet set at a fast idle for a 1/2 hr or so ,,, what would all the ANTI gen set brigade say then eh?? Perfectly legal in any campground not controlled by fanatics.
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 21:50

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 21:50
Hi Axel
Axel [ the real one ] replied:
Contrary to some of the replies you have recieved , gen sets are NOT banned in all Qld Nat parks , and solar is not the be all and end all either ,, camp grounds along the Gibb river rd for example have generator specific areas .
I always thought the Gibb rv rd was in WA OR has your gps screwed up.
Be careful , you might get lost
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Follow Up By: Axel [ the real one ] - Friday, Jan 30, 2009 at 08:10

Friday, Jan 30, 2009 at 08:10
oldtrack 123 , before u make blanket statements as you did above ,get your facts straight , u stated that portable gen sets are banned in ALL QLD + NSW national parks ,, my reply was to point out that a total ban is NOT the case at all ,be it NSW -QLD -SA - Vic -Tas - NT - ACT and WA and anywhere else that is classed as part of Australia.
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Reply By: Dunco (NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 23:17

Wednesday, Jan 28, 2009 at 23:17
All I can say is why the bloody hell do they sell so many ?????


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Reply By: mildew - Friday, Jan 30, 2009 at 07:59

Friday, Jan 30, 2009 at 07:59
Thanks for the spirited discussion everyone. Just lashed out and bought myself a 105a/h Thumper;

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/THUMPER-AGM-DEEP-CYCLE-DUAL-BATTERY-JUMPSTARTER-KIT-12V_W0QQitemZ250364449400QQihZ015QQcategoryZ102703QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262

After a lot of research and listening to both sides of the argument about these I decided it was worth a go. Solar wasn't really a good option for me as I will be moving a lot and in daylight when it would need to charge (not keen on fixing panels to my caravan, but that's just me). I have a 1kva Honda inverter gennie as backup and hoping it won't have to come out of the box too often. We'll be in caravan parks at least once a week so opportunity to recharge everything, clean up etc when we do that.

Thumper will be hooked up in rear as a duel battery, but portable enough to take out to camp when needed. These units are relatively compact for their output in my view, albeit somewhat heavy at 28kg.

Time will tell and as this is our first big trip we'll get to try lot's of things and tweak as we go.

Cheers and thanks again.

See you on the road

Jeff


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2005 Roadstar 20 foot Limited Edition
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