Generators and Televisions

Great News Disco,

That means the bloody Genny/ TV can stay off!

Seriously mate, your experience has taught us both a lot

Thanks

Seakarvan

IMHO I would definitely not run any TV or similar unit off one of the cheap gennys.
They are the inverter type, ie, they generate 12 volt then invert it to 240 volt in a "square" false sine wave pattern which is the
problem.
Units like Honda do the same but invert it to pure sine wave which is actually bettter quality without spikes than mains power.
That's why they cost more.

We blew a plasma tv with a neighbours cheapie even thru the 240v Bushtracker van system which is about as good as it gets

I've been advised not to run a laptop from them even tho it goes thru a transformer
They'll run lights and power tools and motors OK.

IMHO I would definitely not run any TV or similar unit off one of the cheap gennys.
They are the inverter type, ie, they generate 12 volt then invert it to 240 volt in a "square" false sine wave pattern which is the
problem.
Units like Honda do the same but invert it to pure sine wave which is actually bettter quality without spikes than mains power.
That's why they cost more.

We blew a plasma tv with a neighbours cheapie even thru the 240v Bushtracker van system which is about as good as it gets

I've been advised not to run a laptop from them even tho it goes thru a transformer
They'll run lights and power tools and motors OK.

A past experience with Honda was that they wouldnot run a Dometic Washing machine and a learned gentleman (Member of EO) put one on a osilliscope and was disappointed with the sinusoedal wave form produced as it was not true sine.

For example if you created static electricity on your arm and the hairs all stand up that is what the sign pattern was like a reasonable formation but hairy.

A Subaru tested with the Dometic ran it with no drama.

I believe that Honda has since fixed the problem so that should not happen again.

Squre wave and or Modified sine wave today due to a lot of equipment having switchmode technology will work most things other than some washinmg machines and breadmakers with thyristor controls.

Be wary of any generator others then well know quality brands Inverter units for running any sensitive gear.
Ian

Ian,

"Squre wave and or Modified sine wave today due to a lot of equipment having switchmode technology will work most things other than some washinmg machines and breadmakers with thyristor controls."

Not sure what that means in English LOL but I have run our Breadmaker from our Kipor 2000. What does this mean? Is it telling me that the Kipor is putting out "clean" power or am I drawing a false conclusion?

Cheers,

Jim.

Not necessarily as I have run a Black & Decker Breadmaker on a Sterling Quasi Sine Wave 1800W Inverter to see if it would run it and it did.

Charles Sterling made the statement regarding the bread makers and washing machines and I wanted to test it.

I witnessed the Dometic issue it was with a major 5th Wheel supplyer Honda "no" then Subaru "Yes" but I know now that Honda is also "yes."

I guess its a suck it and see thing and I did that again two days ago and ran a Dometic air con off a battery bank and a 1500W pure sine inverter (beautiful) and then off an 1800W Quasi wouldnt run it.

To me there is only two wave forms Square Wave and Sine Wave as all Modified Sine and Quasi Sine are all Square Wave with a fancy name.

If your Kipor works what you have and your happy then its perfect.

Ian

Mike
I would take that a bit further as some industrial type generators or open framed generators without AVR can also damage gear and there are a lot of people using open framed non AVR Generators that are good name brands.
Ian