Proposed restrictions on lifting suspension

Also in nsw......2' lift maximum,cheers.

Tyre size in Qld is limited to overall diameter +15 or -26mm.
Body lift is max 50mm

And it would appear that Vic has the same restriction on tyre size.

Vic reg Sect 8

Don't know about body lift.

cheers
Lex M

Hi Lex

Love those Vic regs as with careful reading they allow me to fit 33.3 inch tyres (255X85X16) to my Patrol legally because one european model in the GU range had 245X85X16 as an option even though all others had much smaller tyres.

Quote: "Also in nsw......2' lift maximum"

2 feet is a bloody big lift!

Lex - Not quite right re 50mm Max see links

QLD Transport Modifications

Suspension Specific

In Qld it is - Do not alter the ride height of the vehicle by more than one-third of suspension travel specified by the vehicle manufacturer.

So you can raise your vehicle no more than 1/3 of the suspension travel. That makes my 3" lift on my Rodeo legal. Cheers tony

Tony
You may be legal with a 3" lift but if you have RACQ Insurance as I do, they don't allow any more than a 50mm lift.
Cheers Ray

Qoute" In Qld it is - Do not alter the ride height of the vehicle by more than one-third of suspension travel specified by the vehicle manufacturer.

So you can raise your vehicle no more than 1/3 of the suspension travel. That makes my 3" lift on my Rodeo legal. "

Sorry
I was referring to body lift not suspension lift. Two different things.

cheers
Lex

To Robin Miller, do you know if there are any similar circumstances for a 100 sries cruiser being able to fit slightly larger tyers..??? Any help would be much appreciated...

And possibly insurance......

I agree 100% With your sentiments. I have seen too many gates put across track entrances in NZ when we lived there and the only reason was lifted trucks with 35" + tyres digging ditches when going for a play in the wet.

Whole forests have been closed to 4WD's because of the ir-responsible minority eg Riverhead forest close to Auckland. Their tracks were trashed by 4WD's with big muddies so the owners put up gates everywhere and will not give the keys to anyone - and dare I say it, the culprits were club members who should have known better.

I would be happy as to have 31" max which is what my Troopy has. A couple of years ago, I drowned the Troopy to the top of the bull bar in a water hole in Beerburem Forest near Brissy that I had driven a Freelander through 2 weeks earlier with no problems. I had been doing that track and waterhole every month or so for 2 or 3 years so did not expect to drown a Troopy in it. I assume some idiot with big muddies had dug huge holes in the waterhole sometime over that 2 weeks.

We trashed a snatch strap getting the Troopy out - stitches ripped. I am still not impressed as I ended up with a gearbox full of water and sand and it will need a re-build when I get sick of the bearing noise.

Ban all tyres that are larger in diameter than what the vehicle originally came with. It will keep the vehicles safer by not upsetting the handling or braking as well.

Stevesub

Blaming lifts and bigger tyres is akin to labelling all 4wders as environmental vandals. Hoons will be hoons regardless of tyre size and lift. I'm quite happy with to wheel with my mates and their 35" tyres knowing full well that they will probably do a lot less damage than an inexperienced driver tring to tackle tracks in an unprepared standard car.

Pat, how come it always the same story when this topic comes up. 'My experienced mates', 'experienced drivers', 'capable drivers', all driving around on oversize tyres but never oh never causing damage, that is always done by inexperienced drivers !
If these people are so experienced and capable why do they need oversize tyres ? An what happens when the ruts get o deep that 35's can't keep the diffs of the deck ?
It is a pathetic argument trying to justify something which clearly has caused ruts to be deeper !
Do none of these blokes roar around spinning wheels and ripping up tracks, are you trying to say they tread carefully around the place being careful not to stuff up things for more standard vehicles. Their whole point seems to be look at me I can go anywhere and you can't otherwise why would they bother to upsize.
Ken

Are you for real Pat??

Why do you need 35s?? Because the tracks are churned up so much now that 31s dont cut it.

If tyre size was restricted then it IS the skill of the driver and not the size of his wallet that gets him through...despite the damage.

The standard vehicles you talk about were series I and II landrovers on 15 inch skinny tyres that drove this entire continent on oil exploration trips...NO TRACKS just a compass bearing.

How on earth did they manage without a lifted locked and 35inch Landcruiser/Patrol...simple..they were slow and steady and knew how to drive.

So Pat...where do you stop next...38...40.....44? It has to stop or we lose our pastime.

Matt.

Pat

Hoons always want it BIGGER

And I am not talking about tyres, motor or lift

Stick with the standard or be labelled a hoon and get done for it

BillF

Yep,

No-one's going to talk me out of my 7.50x16's.

Most durable tyres that I've had.

Cheers.

I've only got 33" on my 'Trol but mates with 35" can drive over larger rock ledges and the like due to larger rolling diameter and greater clearance. Slowly negotiating rock ledges does not cause ruts in my experience. Being in SA I can't rememeber the last time I saw mud, let alone drove in it and I/we always avoid it if possible because it's a PITA to drive through and the subsequent cleaning isn't much fun either.
Not all 4WDers want to explore the Simpson and the like, some like to play on steep rocky tracks, often on private property and lockers, lift and larger wheels help that. We'd soon lose access to such places if we were to hoon around ripping up tracks and the more modified vehicles are certainly more easily identifiable if they try to do so.

Restricting everyone to 15mm increase was done years ago. Pity nobody enforces it.

Yep, another vote here for banning large tyres.

Stop trying to put the blame on inexperienced drivers, that a cop out as we all know who is doing the damage!

Yep, another vote here for banning large tyres.

Stop trying to put the blame on inexperienced drivers, that's a cop out as we all know who is doing the damage!

If it's not the ones with larger tyres doing the damage;

then why is it when you see a 4x4 totally covered in mud or
see footage on tv programs such 4wd TV showing clowns deliberately driving muddy tracks or through bog holes

...... that these vehicles always have large diameter tyres????

I'm not suggesting that there aren't hoons with big tyres causing problems, clearly they are. my argument is there are many drivers in modded 4bies with large lifts and tyres that also drive in a responsible manner.
i also stand by my argument that inexperienced drivers cause as much damage as drivers with lockers and lifts etc.. I saw enough evidence of this on the Oz Day weekend at Robe to highlight a recent trip.

It seem's that is an option in some states but I believe in Qld you cannot get an engineer approval for more than 15mm. Not legally anyway.

cheers
Lex

The guy in the drivers seat is what should keep you out of trouble.

A bit more common sense both on and off road wouldn't go amiss

cheers
Lex

Couldn't agree with you more Lex!!!

Pezza, as one of your 98% I can only say "our case rests". The macho big wheel brigade attitude of enjoying yourself regardless of the impact is exactly the problem we have in convincing authorities the 4WDing is a valid form of recreation. Your reply only confirms this view. If this form of 4WDing is your pleasure best you enjoy it while you can and don't give too much thought to to its impact on the majority of us who don't need to prove or wreck anything.
What you do on private land is of no interest, possibly the landowner will get sick of the damage possibly not. On public land it is a different story, that land belongs to us all but only if it is looked after will all of us be allowed to use it.
Ken