LC 60's with no rust?

Submitted: Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 10:24
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Hi,

Just wondering if its really possible to get a 60's series with no rust? I'm currently looking at an 1989 model with a 2H in it, as far as I can tell it only has a little bit of rust around windscreen on the passenger side (2 spots, about 50mm wide). There is also a couple of spots on some of the bolts in the engine bay and a little on the exhaust coming out of the engine. Is this a "good" amount of rust... Or should I be discounting this car due to this. The guy is asking quite alot of for this vintage $8500.

Thanks
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Reply By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 11:00

Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 11:00
I have a 1985 LC that has done a lot of hard work. I can't find any evidence of rust at all.
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Reply By: Dave... Adelaide (SA) - Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 11:08

Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 11:08
G'day Matt
I wouldn't say its not possible to find a 60 series with no rust , a mate of mine has one that is rust free, he knew the previous owner who used to look after it like it was a newborn baby..lol..as for the $8500 price tag, personally l think its a little overpriced, unless of course its in extremely good condition with bugger all klm's on it....
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Follow Up By: Matt Watson - Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 11:23

Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 11:23
It seems in good nick to me, but then I'm no mechanic (obviously).

It has 270k on it.



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Follow Up By: Matt Watson - Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 11:24

Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 11:24
Sorry about the huge images, I can't edit it now though :(
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Follow Up By: Member - William H (WA) - Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 11:55

Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 11:55
Good morning matt
The rust you see is only the surface rust, and inside further down the pillar you will find more in this model, open the door and look behind the rubber, and door hinge, also look around the windscreen rubber near the door piller ,has it been seald,if so water has got in to, and behind the the dash, and it is expensive to fix, also i would go for a HJ61 with the good 12ht motor in it, as i have the 12ht in my hj47, with the five speed box, and a twin air system set up, and get good klms per litre, i did have the 2h motor and it was slow on a hill, and used a lot of diesel, the price he is asking for it is to much, (you can also get an 80 series for around that price) you can also go to a 4wdrive wrecker, and ask to look at the rust, in the same model, and then you will know what i am talking about, also where are you situated what state.
Cheers for now....William H...Bunbury in WAl
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Follow Up By: Matt Watson - Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 11:58

Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 11:58
Thanks for in the info William.

I'm in Perth, about 40 minutes north of the city.
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Follow Up By: Dave... Adelaide (SA) - Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 12:16

Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 12:16
I would have to agree with William Matt
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Follow Up By: Matt Watson - Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 12:23

Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 12:23
Thanks all, I'll likely be arranging another look at it, this time taking someone with a bit more knowledge (my father), so will give it a good work over.
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Follow Up By: Member - William H (WA) - Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 12:41

Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 12:41
Thanks Matt
Have you an email address so i can email you, send it to me Cheers for now...Bill From ..Bunbury...WA
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Reply By: Saharaman (aka Geepeem) - Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 14:59

Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 14:59
Hi Matt,
As the owner of a number of 60 series over the years (and currently owner of two HJ61 Turbo Diesels), it is true the earlier ones (especially up to about 1987) were very prone to rust. A common place was the gutter along the roofline. My understanding is that from 1987 onwards this was not a problem (or at least less of a problem) as Toyota addressed this gutter rusting issue during manufacture.

As stated above in other replys the cream of the 60 series engines was the HJ61 turbo. An engine renowned for its robust performance and longevity, that in my view, Toyota did not achieve in the early 80series. Mine will pull strongly uphills and if pushed will hit 140kph on a level road. This was the last of the 60 series and production stopped in early 1990 when the 80 series was released. My preference has been for a HJ61 Turbo Diesel Sahara (5 speed manual) over an early 80 series which (in GLX and Sahara) were constant 4 wheel drive and were thus heavier on fuel and tyres. This is why such a vehicle is still selling for up to $15,000. It may be true the 80 series is more comfortable but the HJ61 Sahara came with special turbo bucket seats which I find quite comfortable even on long trips. The Sahara came in GX or VX models.
To answer your particular question on rust – it is possible to find one without rust but is getting more difficult every year. But probably only in the 61 models (after 1987 models in particular). My Sahara is in pristine condition (only 170K Km) and has absolutely no rust anywhere to my knowledge.
An interesting aside is that when the LC200 was released with a big price jump (and some unknowns being a new model), the older models actually increased in price. A HJ61 turbo diesel Sahara in good condition is selling for more today than it did 12 months ago.
If you want to know more feel free to email me direct on:
havilahheights@aapt.net.au

Cheers,
GPM

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Reply By: Steve Ellis - Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 15:34

Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 15:34
Tell him he is dreaming. I suggest you look at a Nissan
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Follow Up By: Matt Watson - Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 16:01

Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 16:01
haha.... should I take a guess at what you own?

I'm looking at everything from midsized twin cab utes to Cruisers/Patrols, but have a 10k limit.
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Follow Up By: Member - William H (WA) - Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 17:07

Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 17:07
Hi Matt.

Yep have a look at a Nissan????????... and make sure the wheals dont fall "OFF"............lol.
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Follow Up By: Steve Ellis - Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 19:58

Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 19:58
I am fairdinkum re nissans. There are some real bargains in some of the older ones out there. They can be a bit of a a slug but most go forever.There are in Tojos also but they are harder to find. People are hurting and it is a buyers market. There are advertisers even in the "Trader" on this website with totally unrealistic prices on their pride and joy. Everyone wants the max. price but a realistic price will sell it. A ambitious price will sit there forever. One bloke recently had an early 80 series for 32 grand. Dreaming - or Hungry - or Ambitious? Who knows. I am not being critical of the seller, he/she wants the max but it wont sell, not to anyone I know. It is after all almost 20 years old. Would you buy it even if it is in as new condition?
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Reply By: Davo_60 - Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 17:41

Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 17:41
Hello Matt,

I have an 85 hj60 with almost no rust, 125k only and I picked that up for $5500 a couple of years ago, so they are out there still. Still spent some money on her though and they are getting quite old now so there is always something that needs tinkering with/replacing. Very reliable and simple to fix. I would prefer one with a few spots of rust that I could see rather than one that has been patched up at some point (most of them). For $8500 you should be able to find a good factory turbo model.

Cheers,
Dave
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Reply By: Madfisher - Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 19:03

Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 19:03
Matt I was going to direct you to our add in the trader then noticed you are in Perth. Shame would like to see it go to a good home.
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: Matt Watson - Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 19:08

Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 19:08
Yeh, bit far to come for an inspection I'm afraid, otherwise I'd definitely be coming around!
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Follow Up By: Member - Dennis P (Scotland) - Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 20:19

Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 20:19
Hi Pete,
Nice Pajero.
Is it Diesel or Petrol?

Cheers,
Dennis
Minus 3C here @9.18am! Snow everywhere.

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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 22:48

Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 22:48
Matt air fares are cheap lol, actually I have heard 4bys are much dearer in the west, and have heard of other people buying over here and driving back. Its hard to find a 4by for less then 10 grand with less then 100000ks.
Dennis you lucky bxggar want to swap, I am over 40c heat lol. Looking forward to going back to the high country where at lest you can sleep of a night.
The Paj is a 3lt v6 last of the NHs . It goes better now then what it did at 60000ks although the 10rs take a bit out of it. It handles better on windy tarmac then either of the Jacks. The Paj is set up very stiff in the front with softer rear suspension for a good ride, the Jacks are the reverse but carry a load better.
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: Matt Watson - Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 23:01

Friday, Feb 06, 2009 at 23:01
Yeh, they definitely seem more pricey over here, if I knew more about them myself, I'd be tempted to jump on a plane and have a look, although by the time you added up a flight to inspect plus haulage/fuel back over here, the price starts to even up anyway.. Its more just an issue with choice I've found. Not a lot of well setup vehicles around, that I've found anyway.
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Saturday, Feb 07, 2009 at 14:45

Saturday, Feb 07, 2009 at 14:45
Matt every well set up vehicle I have looked at has either been badly scratched or heaps of ks, I find its better to get a good vehicle then modify to suit yourself. The Paj is pretty standard apart from the tyres. We mainly use for fishing and carting the canoe arround a camping of course.
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Saturday, Feb 07, 2009 at 11:36

Saturday, Feb 07, 2009 at 11:36
Hi Matt

I have a June 89 build GXL 2H,with 700,000 on the clock.
Its my everyday work hak, and travel vehicle, at around 50,000 a year.
It lives outside and the only rust i have is just starting around the windscreen and gutter.
The idea of buying a good vehicle with a bit of original rust is to get it cheap enough to have it repaired properly when you buy it and not end up out of pocket.
It seems to me that 8k is way to much, 3-4k would be top dollar.
The grey import ones seem better for rust and are mostly lower in milage.

Cheers Pesty
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Reply By: Rolly - Saturday, Feb 07, 2009 at 15:06

Saturday, Feb 07, 2009 at 15:06
For what it's worth, last July I bought a 1985 FJ62 Auto, 218,000km, new 95l LPG system, good 2004 tyres - less than 50% worn, and no rust. Accessories include; alloy bull-bar and side-steps, 2 good driving lights, 140l petrol tank, and 250kg tow bar. The radiator had recently been dismounted, tank replaced and pressure tested, and the engine power flushed. Greasable suspension nipples were fitted when a slight height lift had been made with extended hangers and spring reset.
I paid effectively $6250. It needed a new battery, complete new front brake assemblies, front swivel seals, oil change in both axles, auto service but nothing else of note. The total bill will come out to about $8500 by the time I've done a few small mods of my own.
I'm a slow traveler so will probably do less than 12,000km a year in my meanderings. With an anticipated total life of over 350,000km it should do me for a while yet.
Drives like a dream.
I'm happy.
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Reply By: Dave B ( BHQ NSW) - Saturday, Feb 07, 2009 at 22:20

Saturday, Feb 07, 2009 at 22:20
Matt, I also have a 12HT 60 series with no rust to speak of.
I don't really like the look of where the rust is in your pic.
I reckon there would be more under the rubbers and that's a big job to fix that.
If you don't fix it properly, the windscreen will leak forever and you will get more rust.
I also think the price is too high, but someone will probably pay that price eventually.

Dave
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Reply By: SteveD - Monday, Feb 16, 2009 at 23:21

Monday, Feb 16, 2009 at 23:21
Gidday Matt
Interesting conversation going on here. Just a note to say that I just bought a 03/89 HJ61 12HT engine, 5 speed manual VX Sahara, 189000km from a one owner from new in Melbourne, South Yarra It appears very original and tidy with no rust anywhere, It even had the complete service history including all invoices from new, has been serviced by Toyota dealers from new and has all genuine toyota filters etc on it ( it hasn't even got a bullbar, ordered one today). I paid $10000 for it. My mates call it a tourack tractor, not really sure what that means as I'm from Darwin, but I think it means it has only been a shopping trolley around town and a little country. I also own a HJ47 with a 2H in it and have had several HJ75s with the 2H, there is no comparison performance wise between a 2H and 12HT. If you are looking for a 60 series, go the 12HT, NT speed limit is 130kmph and my hj61 cruises quite nicely at 120/130, put the foot down at 120 and it still has get up and go. I have been half looking for a 60 for about 2 years on and off. Was only going to get serious about July this year but this one came up so I grabed it. I didn't really want a Sahara, I was looking for an old rusty 60 with a 500000km plus 12HT to rebuild and put in my HJ47. Long story short the HJ61 is in excellent condition and I will keep it and look after it for years to come, My HJ47 will have to wait for some years yet for a height transplant. I bought mine off carsales on the net. So keep looking as there is good ones out there.
Cheers
Steve
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