Rear LPG bottle carrier - LC 100

Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:16
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Has anyone seen anything to carry aany gas bottles on the back of an LC series 100?

Commercially made would be preferred. Even something to modify. We have the standard bumper with the ARB spare wheel carrier mounted on the left hand (passenger) side.

We have two 4Kg bottles to carry and do not want to put them inside. I also believe its even illegal and therefore could invalidate any insurance. No roof hardware as yet because it has to go on the Ghan in May. Already paid for a 2wd car but bought ourselves a Chrissy present.

Phil and Sue
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:33

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:33
Phil and Sue,

I have not seen any thing commercially made. I think that it would be very dangerous carrying gas bottles on the back of a vehicle, same as jerry cans full of petrol, is a bomb waiting to go off.

The only legal way to carry bottles would be in an sealed compartment that is vented to the out side of the vehicle. Britz and other hire campers have this.

I am not sure but can you take a full gas bottle on the Ghan?

It might mean taking empty gas bottles with you or buying them and roof bars with a basket once you get to your destination.

Good luck

Wayne
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:46

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:46
Thanks Wayne. I cannot see what the difference is in carrying bottles on the rear as compared to carrying them on trailers and caravans. But will check with the authorities.

Have to check with GSR for the train. Thanks for that one. We are also doing a return trip on the train.

I also have model trains. See vk1dx on www.youtube.com if you wish. That's why the Ghan trip. Did the IP last time.

I have had things wiped off the roof with wind and trees before in my much younger days surfing so I have a problem with roof racks and bars. Broke a surfboard too (sob sob). Yeah I know. But tell that to the little bloke in my brain will you! Ha.

We can carry up to 4Kg inside but I prefer it outside. Only one bottle may mean we risk running out of gas on future trips. That's why we want two on the rear.

Cheers Appreciate your response.
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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:14

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:14
Most gas bottles carried on caravans and trailers are situated on the draw bar.

The reason for not having gas bottles/ jerry cans on the back of the vehicle is if a vehicle runs into the back of your vehicle the gas bottle/ jerry can might rupture. This is just as bad as a gas bottle venting inside a vehicle. I know that no one plans to have an accident but we still have to wear seat belts and have air bags surrounding us just in case.

I agree with watching the height. I have a Troopie with two 9kg bottles on the roof rack. It was only on the last trip in the Vic High Country that I had to take them off because of a fallen tree.


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Depending on where you travel and how often you plan to use the gas, it should last a while. I use the 9kg to run a 2 burner BBQ and have found that it will last about 4 weeks and it would be in use for at least an hour each night. I do have two bottles because you never know when it will run out of gas.

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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:04

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:04
All understood. We wanted a troopie also but they wont fit on the Ghan. So the LC. At least its a diesel. (Hmmm wonder if that will get a bite)

Yet we put jerry cans with fuel on the back. We are a wierd mob hey!!

We plan to light a fire whenever possible. Better atmosphere and saves gas.

If we cannot come up with something legit, I think we will end up (despite my phobia) putting a carrier on the top so thats where the gas will go.

Lets see what the exploreoz mob say.

catchya
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Reply By: Willem - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:35

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:35
Once upon a time, not all that long ago, I made this

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Galvanised sheet cut to size and bolted on top rear whjeel carrier. 10lt metal paint tin for 4kg bottle and strap to tie it down. Hole drilled in bottom of paint tin to let rain water out.


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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:50

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:50
Hi Willem.

The main problem is finding a hinged mechanism to mount on the current bumper. Once we have that there are heaps of alternatives.

Thanks mate

Phil
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Reply By: Dunco (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:23

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:23
I know people keep saying that it illegal to carry petrol, or gas on the rear of a vehicle....but, what is the offence and where is it written. ?

I agree that it is very dangerous and would not do it, but I might have to see what I can find out ????



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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:52

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:52
Dunco,

Have a look at this post. 24099

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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:27

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:27
Hi Wayne,
When I put those numbers into search it just comes back to this post?
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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:46

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:46
Dave,

On the main page under Thread Find. I just put the numbers in and it took me to the thread OK.

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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 13:35

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 13:35
Thanks Wayne,
Found it, Good info.
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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 13:47

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 13:47
Thanks Wayne.

Great info, but no real "Set" offence....like a speeding fine etc.

As it says about Court...a Magistrate/Judge would look at a "reasonable person" and we would all have an excuse....but I doubt whether your insurance company would agree...haha


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Follow Up By: Steve - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 13:54

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 13:54
About a year or so back, I rang the NRMA, the police, the EPA and the RTA. Not one of them said that carrying petrol, never mind diesel, in a Jerry on the back of your vehicle was illegal. In fact, the EPA were more concerned about certain elements of the community getting their hands on it for a good old sniff, in certain areas of the country. There was a degree of discouragement, but not a lot.
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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 13:58

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 13:58
Steve,

This is what I am talking about as no Agency actually has a "set offence" for this subject.

In other words, if you were driving along the road, or got pulled up by the RTA or something, no one can actually tell you to remove the fuel from the rear of your van/car or give you a ticket if you don't.

A bit of a grey area to me.

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Follow Up By: Steve - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 14:38

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 14:38
yep - I suppose it's up to the individual to make the decision bearing in mind circumstances/conditions etc

The other thing, I think somebody else mentioned, is that it would give the insurance company something of an excuse when payout time comes.
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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 16:36

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 16:36
Doesn't seem to have a "set offense" But when it says 'Duty of care to passengers & other road uses" it gives them scope to prosecute if in an accident and someone is hurt by gas bottle explosion.
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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 19:46

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 19:46
Yes Dave...agree....But, in the other thread it mentions that the Magistrate/Judge looks at all the evidence and one is "reasonable person" and if you believed that all is OK, then you will be found Not guilty.

I thought there may have been something from the EPA ...but nope, nothing. No offence.

Once again, a real grey area and left to the individual.






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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 20:35

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 20:35
I'm with you on this one Dunco.

I don't know of any such law. It's a bit like that old chestnut that gets trotted out that attaching a 10 amp plug to a 15 amp power lead is "illegal".

But no-one can produce the supposed law to support it.

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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 18, 2009 at 11:58

Wednesday, Feb 18, 2009 at 11:58
At least we aren't arguing on this one mate...hahaha

I still reckon you'd have heaps of dramas with your insurance company though !

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Reply By: Motherhen - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 15:54

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 15:54
Hi Phil and Sue

When we bought a camper van in the UK in the 1960s, the gas bottles were INSIDE the van/vehicle. When we got back to Australia, that was illegal, so my Dad made a bracket for them on the rear. I understand that it is illegal now - and can't recall where i recently read it. It is legal to carry small bottles inside the vehicle, but not larger ones - sizing in the same article which i can't recall.

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 20:38

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 20:38
It is legal only to carry your barbie bottles home from a refill place inside a vehicle.
They must be carried upright and have plastic plugs in the outlet.

It is not legal to carry inside any other way except in a sealed compartment vented ONLY to the outside

I recently wanted to put a jerry can holder on the van and suggested to the engineer it go on the rear.

His comment was "Only an idiot would put fuel at the rear of any vehicle."

So its on the drawbar between the gas bottles.

No offence intended His words not mine.

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Reply By: Dave(NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 23:12

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 23:12
I think I would rather hit the back of a 4by with a 9Kg bottle of gas on the back than hit the back of this.
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Reply By: Bob of KAOS - Wednesday, Feb 18, 2009 at 08:18

Wednesday, Feb 18, 2009 at 08:18
Phil and Sue

Interesting question.

Although not cheap, you could have a gas cylinder mounted under the vehicle as if it were a gas fuelled vehicle. Thus meeting all regulatory obligations.

I have a 20 L cylinder mounted longitudinally under the floor of my diesel vehicle as part of the gas injection system. It looks pretty safe, and is certainly unobtrusive (similar proportions to a Scuba cylinder).

Can vehicle LPG be used to run a BBQ?

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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Wednesday, Feb 18, 2009 at 09:04

Wednesday, Feb 18, 2009 at 09:04
Thats an interesting one.

Can anyone answer.

Can vehicle LPG be used to run a BBQ?

Phil
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Follow Up By: Steve - Wednesday, Feb 18, 2009 at 13:23

Wednesday, Feb 18, 2009 at 13:23
I'm sure there are plenty of other posts on this but here's a few interesting views.


http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/Topic/61423/Bottled_LPG_v_Auto_LPG.aspx
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Follow Up By: G.T. - Tuesday, Feb 24, 2009 at 17:55

Tuesday, Feb 24, 2009 at 17:55
NO.NO.NO.!!!! Highly illegal. Regards G.T.
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