Permits.... CLC

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G'Day all

Quick Question. When you receive your Land Council Permit is it for a specific start/finish date or are they for a blanket period ie. 1May to 2 June


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Reply By: PatrolSTL04 - Tuesday, Mar 10, 2009 at 18:41

Tuesday, Mar 10, 2009 at 18:41
Our last permit for WA side and NT side of the Great Central Road issued in July last year....both had validity dates...(I ma sure that it was either two weeks or one month)

Must have changed.
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Reply By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Tuesday, Mar 10, 2009 at 19:33

Tuesday, Mar 10, 2009 at 19:33
Hi Jeff
The quickest way is to apply on line. You must specify a start/finish date and you have a 3 day window to complete the specified track.
I am in the process for this years trip and they are now on the ball with a very quick turn around time if you nominate to receive the permits by email. When at home for lunch today, I applied for 1 lot of permits and by the time a got home from work tonight, the permits have been approved and ready to be printed off by me, with little less than a 4 hour turn around and approval time.

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Follow Up By: cobber - Tuesday, Mar 10, 2009 at 23:01

Tuesday, Mar 10, 2009 at 23:01
We are doing the Great Central Road in July.......From Laverton.............WHAT happens if you are outside the 3 day window and you are half way along the road?.has anyone had that experience? also has anyone ever been asked to show their permits to anyone along the road?
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Tuesday, Mar 10, 2009 at 23:37

Tuesday, Mar 10, 2009 at 23:37
Cobber, i have never heard of anyone being asked to show permits, however if you had a genuine reason that your travel was delayed so you couldn't meet the three day requirement and could not contact them to change dates (there is not internet between Laverton and Yulara), they would be unreasonable if they fined you.

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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 07:52

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 07:52
Hi Cobber
What you have to do is give them a detailed itinery of your approximate dates and areas of travel. For example, it is approximately just over 500 kilometres from Laverton to Warburton, good road and easily done in one day. My little/big detour will see over 1300 kilometres between fuel stops and about 9 days - I am going to some very out of the way places.

I have lodged my permits for the WA Side last night, so will keep you posted on how long it takes to get them back on line. The biggest problem with my permits is that the moment that you head away from the usual travelled tracks, that is where the time comes to get them approved.

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Reply By: Motherhen - Tuesday, Mar 10, 2009 at 23:32

Tuesday, Mar 10, 2009 at 23:32
Hi Jeff

The NT side permit covered three weeks. We purchased one, specifying dates, but then were running behind time, so got another to cover the next three weeks. That gave us six weeks to take a one day journey. You must travel through this section (Kata Tjuta to WA border) within two days, and the only authorised camp site is a Docker River. A nice spot, but it had been vandalised, there was no water and nothing worked. We moved on to Warakurna.

We were travelling into WA where permits are for three days only, and as we had no certainty of time frame when we left Alice Springs to tour the MacDonnell Ranges through Uluru, i took an application form, which the tourist office a Yulara faxed to the Ngaanyatjarra Aboriginal Corporation office in Alice Springs, who faxed the permit back within 24 hours (week days only). There was a $1 fee for the faxes. We could then organise it the day before we headed to the west.

We met people who had travelled with no permit, as they were going to take the Connie Sue, but rain prevented them, so they had no choice but to travel without a permit.

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Follow Up By: Holden4th - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 20:49

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 20:49
M experiene was the same. I was given about a two week time frame to cover the distance from Laverton to the NT border. I went the WA DIA in person, spoke to the friendly person there, explained my travel plans and was given a reasonably wide window for travel, provided I didn't stray too far from the road. This gave me a healthy leeway with my start and finish dates.

The CLC were just as helpful though it was via the internet.

It always helps if you can do the face to face (or phone to phone) thing.

This was in 2007 so maybe things have changed since then.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 22:18

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 22:18
My permit application form from the Ngaanyatjarra Council (in September last year) shows;

"Approximate dates of entry and departure (MAXIMUM THREE (3) DAYS)."

For this reason they have an arrangement for applications by fax from Yulara. I also took the wording of 'approximate' to give us some leeway for the unforeseen. As it was, we crossed the border during the day before our appointed date. This was because we didn't stop at the Docker River campsite as anticipated because of it's condition, and the fact that the road to the WA border had recently been graded so we made better than expected time.

I did not apply through the on line system at
http://www.dia.wa.gov.au/Land/Entry-Permits/About-Entry-Permits/
because i didn't have printing facilities.

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Reply By: Willem - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 08:58

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 08:58
Permits

What an authoritarian load of crap. And we blindly acquiesce to George Orwell's Big Brother syndrome. Oh dear...I can't camp there!!...I must travel the route with 2 or 3 days......What if???

Whilst I have obtained numerous permits from the CLC and other councils over the years their modus operandi is questionable. Some permits such as transit permits are easy to obtain. But why Transit Permits? What is the use thereof? Gaining entry to historical sites of significance is more difficult. I have been successful in the past, though, in 2006, after 9 weeks of negotiating and numerous phone calls, I was told verbally that the permit was in order but received it a week after we had completed the journey. Last year I was refused a permit to a certain place after 3 months of negotiations for a variety of reasons. So we requested a permit from the WA Dept of IA and received one within 24 hours to visit a remote place very close to my other intended route. It all depends what sort of mood the council staff are in, methinks and the vested interests of the council. Power corrupts!

A few years ago I got impatient with a another council, as they were stuffing around with our permit application, and took off along various outback tracks. Six months later I received a threatening letter from the Legal Dept of this particular Council stating that it had come to their attention etc etc. So I was either dobbed in, or they monitor ExplorOz Forum or they look at my website from time to time. I ignored the letter.

I have found on occasions that the office staff of Land Councils have no clue about areas other than issuing Transit Permits for Gazetted Roads.

I have never been asked to show a permit by anyone. Even when I accessed remote communities for fuel and supplies.

What if? Well its up to you. I am less inclined to bother with applying for permits these days


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Follow Up By: OzTroopy - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:32

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:32
Careful Willem .... LOLOL

Fixed, short term time period, access to taxpayer funded roads .... pfffft .... so much for sitting back, relaxing and basking in the grandeur of OUR landscape ...

Its OK for those only hitting the road in the last .... maybe 15yrs, and not knowing the difference ... but the number of, about face, rules and conditions applied since that time ... makes enjoying the country through a windscreen ... instead of a widescreen ... almost - more hassle than what its worth ... Not that todays televised drivel is any more than an advertising background.

Commonsense approaches to dealing with travel preparation, restricted areas, camping locations, culture appreciation etc have all been replaced by a trendy application of rules and regulations by citybased individuals ... who for the most part .. have probably only seen outside their suburban area by looking out the airplane window whilst jetting off to some foriegn study destination rort.

The individuals who have flaunted their right to travel in various areas ... in the past ... should have been dealt with appropriately by the law and publicly ... as a deterrent .... rather than the impementation of knock-kneed, half thought out rules being foisted on the majority.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:47

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:47
Mother-earth, Baaime, Gayia.... is for everyone, all humans and living things, not just the chosen few.

By your statement >The individuals who have flaunted their right to travel in various areas ... in the past ... should have been dealt with appropriately by the law and publicly ... as a deterrent ..<....maybe we should retro-apply that to the early explorers. Your comment only amplifies George Orwell's statement

Ahh..... but we can discuss this ad infinitum and get nowhere.

I bask where I wish....even in a Woolies car park

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Follow Up By: OzTroopy - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:13

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:13
George Orwell has a got a lot to answer for .... Rather than providing an insight to a .. possible .. future ... his thoughts have been hijacked as a game plan ..... lol

Ummm ... the ones I meant that needed a public flogging were recent histories - grog/drug runners and the vandals ... who cause every 4wd/trailer/van combo to be regarded with suspicion ..... (wink)

Basking in a carpark is a funny thought .... given that quite a number of my favourite .. old .. locations are now just that, or a maccas, or a floating restaurant ... it loses its amusement .........

Until I had a mental picture of the deckchair shaded by a tarp stretched out between stacked shopping trolleys .... Lots of benefits having a flat, well drained campsite I guess too ........ LOL
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