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I'm trying to find a particular spanner.

I call them adjustable ring spanners but I don't know if this is the correct name.

I've seen them advertised as all sorts of things. (The only spanner you need etc).

Basically they are a ring spanner, the handle pivots and grips the head of the bolt or nut in the ring. The more you pull/push the handle the the more it grips the head of the bolt.

Any help (web link, manufacturer, etc) would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers
Ross
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Reply By: get outmore - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:48

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:48
bunnings
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Follow Up By: Rossc0 - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:55

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:55
Checked there.

Did not know what I was talking about (on the phone). Might have to go and have a look next time I'm in Mackay.

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Ross
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:57

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:57
pretty sure ive seen them there
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:00

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:00
ah hang on im thinking of the ring spanners that ratchet.
i havnt seen the one you speak of for many years - used to fix my pushbike with one
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Reply By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:51

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:51
Dad had one, it had two different sizes on each end with an infinate number of sizes within that end so good for all types ie metric imperial etc. May have been called a supaspanna or somthing like that.
The harder you tried to do up or undo a bolt, the tighter the cam thinghy gripped the bolt head.

Does that sound like the gizmo?

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Follow Up By: Rossc0 - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:52

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:52
That's the one.

Now just have to find one.

Thanks.
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Reply By: Lotzi - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:01

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:01
G'day RosscO

Have you tried Glenfords?

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Reply By: Best Off Road - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:15

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:15
Ross,

Blackwoods in Dandenong, Vic, definitely have them.

A call to them would give you the details.

Cheers,

Jim.



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Follow Up By: Rossc0 - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 14:38

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 14:38
Thanks Jim.

I did not think of them. Will have to try Blackwoods Mackay.

Cheers
Ross
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Reply By: TassieD - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:42

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:42
Would this be the type? http://www.vektools.com.au/knipex-multiple-slip-joint-spanner-p-3344.html
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Follow Up By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 13:06

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 13:06
That is similar in principle but the ones we are looking for are enclosed in the ends and slip over the bolt and that bit can pivot against the solid cam end of the spanner itself. (if that makes sense)
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Follow Up By: Rossc0 - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 13:07

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 13:07
No.

They're just glorified multi-grips and as tony posted below, buthcher bolts.

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Ross
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Reply By: oldfart1953 - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 13:01

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 13:01
Make sure you are wearing a blue & white stripped apron when you are using this 'tool'.....butcher



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Follow Up By: Rossc0 - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 13:15

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 13:15
Previous owner probably was wearing a blue and white apron.

Problem is I have one extractor bolt that I can't get out head stripped. I can't use an easy out as the extractor pipe is in the way. Can't fit the mig welder in to weld a bar on to the head to at least loosen it and then I'd have to some how remove the bar to undo it completly.

Tried rotating the whole extractors but the bolt does not turn only the extractors.

So this was to be the next attempt.

Need something like a ring spanner which will clamp to the head as that's about all that can fit in there.

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Ross
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Follow Up By: ross - Thursday, Mar 12, 2009 at 01:44

Thursday, Mar 12, 2009 at 01:44
Ive seen the type you have mentioned and tried to find some once with no luck.
I think they were some kind of TV special that came with a set of steak knives.
From what I was told ,they were pretty soft and it didnt take much to deform them.

As for your other problem,Ive used these quite few times with success although I had the manifolds off.
http://www.irwin.com/irwin/consumer/jhtml/browse.jhtml?catId=IrwinCat100511


You might be best off cutting the head of the bolt off and removing the extractors .


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Follow Up By: Rossc0 - Thursday, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:45

Thursday, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:45
Hi Ross

If I could find them in a ring spanner then that would solve the issue. Have one of these socket sets and used them very successfully at othertimes.

Unfortunately there is not enough room to fit a socket over the bolt as an extractor primary pipe goes across the head about 8mm away from it. It's also only about 8mm away from where a primary pipe comes out of the mounting flange so not much room altogether.

So a ring spanner will fit in there but not much else, I'd say the previous owner used open ended spanners on them as most of the bolt heads were damaged but this is the only one I have not been able to remove without destructive force.

Don't really want to remove the extractors as that would mean breaking the weld where they join the rest of the exhaust.

Cheers
Ross
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Reply By: P7OFFROAD Accredited Driver Training - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 13:28

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 13:28
the tool shop at Bunnings Hervey Bay had them last week!

(nearly bought me one!!)

cheers

Dave
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Follow Up By: Rossc0 - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 14:37

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 14:37
Thanks Dave,

Unfortunately the closest bunnings is 130km's away so will have to wait until I'm down there in about 2 weeks.

Cheers
Ross
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Reply By: Tim - Stratford (VIC) - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 13:47

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 13:47
Ross,

I know the ones you mean - can't find them online though;

Did find this one - bit bulkier - but pretty smick....


Tim



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Follow Up By: Rossc0 - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 14:33

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 14:33
Hi Tim,

Thanks, they are a nice set.

Don't think this would help though, as I've a full set of Kincrome ratchet ring spanners and what should be the correct one just rotates on the head of the bolt.

Really need one that clamps onto the head of the bolt.

Cheers
Ross
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Reply By: Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 14:26

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 14:26
Hi Ross,
Is this what your chasing?
The top Tool.
I got it at a garage sale many years ago. A very handy tool. The bottom tool is only if the head is rounded and you will need to replace it, it chews the hell out of nuts & heads.

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Follow Up By: Rossc0 - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 14:41

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 14:41
Jon,

Top one definitely thanks.

Now have a least a picture to show the shop assistants here.

Does it have a brand name on it?

Bottom one probably would not fit in the space available anyway.

Cheers
Ross
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 15:21

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 15:21
Ross,

All it has on it is,

14-22mm All-In-One 9-13mm

There are no other marks or symbols on it. Sorry.

It's 215mm long & 8mm thick at the bigger ring

Hope this helps



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Follow Up By: get outmore - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 15:29

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 15:29
I suspect any sales assistant much under 40 may never have heard of them. Like i said i remember them well --------------- but it was for working on my pushie i was years off driving a car when they were around
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Follow Up By: Rossc0 - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 18:06

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 18:06
The local owner of the auto parts place is over 50 and both he and his wife knew what it was when I showed it to them.

Their trying to source one for me now.

Cheers
Ross
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Follow Up By: That Troopy Bloke (SA) - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 22:48

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 22:48
I have both the tools pictured above. The top one is quite useless really, I don't think I have ever used it successfully to undo anything!
The design of it is such that unless the nut or bolt you are trying to undo is a close fit inside the hex of the tool, and the nut has a decent length of hex to grip on, then the tool will just twist off the nut or bolt head. This is because the cam on the end of the handle section is slotted inside the hex head, so unless you can get the full width of the tool on the nut, it will have a crooked grip.
A pretty crappy tool really....I think I flung mine down the back of the shed somewhere many years ago.

The tool on the bottom (Speed Wrench?) is a very handy tool to have though. It really can undo those 'impossible' nuts and bolts. I have these in 4", 8", and 12". The harder you pull on them, the tighter they grip. Yes, they can damage the bolt head if it is really really tight....but if it's that tight, you are going to damage it whatever you use to get the job done.

Cheers
Glenn
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Follow Up By: Rossc0 - Thursday, Mar 12, 2009 at 00:00

Thursday, Mar 12, 2009 at 00:00
Hi Glenn,

Understand the problems with these and that's why I've never bought one before. Most of the other options for removing damaged nuts/bolts just won't fit. Only other tool I've seen would be a twist ring spanner but can't find one of them either.

If I could fit a speed wrench in there that would be my choice as I'm not worried about the bolt, it's trashed anyway.

Limiting factor is about 8mm between the bolt and the extractor pipe so we were hoping one of the "adjustable ring spanners" would fit or could be made to fit and really not worried if it only does the one and that's it.

Cheers
Ross


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Follow Up By: That Troopy Bloke (SA) - Thursday, Mar 12, 2009 at 00:27

Thursday, Mar 12, 2009 at 00:27
G'day Ross,
Could you post a pic of the offending bolt etc.?
Perhaps somebody could offer suggestions for a few more options to remove it.

I still reckon one of these would be a better bet:
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I thought I had a 4", but it's actually 6".
The moveable jaw is only 6mm thick just before the 'bump', which can be ground down for more clearance anyway.

Cheers
Glenn
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Follow Up By: Rossc0 - Thursday, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:35

Thursday, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:35
Hi Glenn,

I'll go and have a look at one, the local engineering supplier have them in stock.

Cheers
Ross
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Follow Up By: Rodney M - Thursday, Mar 12, 2009 at 13:43

Thursday, Mar 12, 2009 at 13:43
Greetings Ross

I am a former Blackwoods employee and I still have some contacts in my old work place. I have forwarded the photo to the tool department at the Smithfield (Sydney) branch. I am hoping that he is able to provide the Blackwoods part number.

I will let you how I go.


Rodney
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Reply By: Member - Steve O (NSW) - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 15:33

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 15:33
Hi Ross,

I have a double header and a larger single headed one. They both came from the US about 30 years ago. Surprisingly, the double headed one has metric sizing 9mm-14mm & 15mm-22mm and the single imperial 13/16 - 11/4.

Then they were called a "Multi-Wrench" and that is what is stamped on them but could be something else now. I googled that name with now joy although somewhere in the back of my mind I seem to remember seeing them in $2 shops. Not to rub salt in the wounds but I was in Mackay last week and had them with me so could of helped. Thems the breaks.

Good Luck

Steve O
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Follow Up By: Rossc0 - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 18:13

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 18:13
Hi Steve,

Thanks.

Yeah the last place I saw them was a $2 store but to no avail here, so will just have to try all these places in Mackay when I'm down there next.

Unless you were about 130km's north of Mackay it would not have been much help but thanks anyway.

Cheers
Ross
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Follow Up By: Member - Steve O (NSW) - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 19:13

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 19:13
Hi Ross,

I was - Cannonvale.

Regards,

Steve
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Follow Up By: Rossc0 - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 19:35

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 19:35
Hi Steve,

Typical, I'm at Strathdickie.

Cheers
Ross
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Follow Up By: Member - Steve O (NSW) - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 20:06

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 20:06
Hi Ross,

Yep. SD as well as Montes, Hideaway Bay Dingo Beach. Shouldn't tell anyone about these places otherwise everyone will want to go.

On a serious note I may, emphasis may, have to fly up to Proserpine in the next couple of weeks and if so I will put them in my bag. Also, I'll have a look around Gosford and see if I can find what you are looking for. Then I will send it up to you and you can buy me a beer when we relocate.

Regards,

Steve
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Follow Up By: Rossc0 - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 23:48

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 23:48
Hi Steve,

Thanks.

Don't worry too much if you see one well and good.

I'm going to Mackay in two weeks, so if I can't source one locally will try down there.

I also have a couple of other leads on possible solutions.

They are great spots.

Great pub for a sunday lunch at Dingo.

Cheers
Ross
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Reply By: TassieD - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 17:45

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 17:45
Hubby suggested chiselling the bolt head off so you can get the extractors out of the way then deal with the remains?
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Follow Up By: Rossc0 - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 18:16

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 18:16
Hi,

Had thought of this but still an issue with space available.

May have to get the really small gas axe out and melt the head of if all else fails.

Just trying to remove it without destroying the head completely so that I don't have problems getting the remains out.

Cheers
Ross
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Reply By: Pete Jackman (SA) - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 17:48

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 17:48
Hi Rossc0,

I have one and if you are desperate email me your address and I can post it up:

peter at nenke.info

Cheers

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Follow Up By: Rossc0 - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 18:00

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 18:00
Hi Pete,

Thanks for the most generous offer.

I'll keep it in mind if I can't find one.

I've got a couple of leads on who makes them now and a couple of the older shop assistants knew what I was looking for (when I showed them the picture above) and are trying to find one for me.

Cheers
Ross

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Reply By: get outmore - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 18:29

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 18:29
from memory they probabally wernt that good really to be doing hard core stuff you talk of. they were marketed to the non mechanical types who got a spanner out a few times a year and didnt want a toolbox
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 19:27

Wednesday, Mar 11, 2009 at 19:27
Yeap,
I keep mine in the Toyota tool bag, It's a handy little bugger.
Use it all the time,
and not necessarily on the Toyota.
Just thought I'd get that in first ;)




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Reply By: 62woollybugger - Thursday, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:08

Thursday, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:08
Another option may be the "Metrinch" brand of spanners & sockets. These grip the flats of the nuts instead of the corners.
The open ended spanners are not real good, but the ring & sockets work well.
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Reply By: Member - KC (TAS) - Thursday, Mar 12, 2009 at 16:12

Thursday, Mar 12, 2009 at 16:12
If you get really desperate, you can look at these..?..
http://www.ilikeitdirect.com.au/set-of-4-super-wrench-tools-p-3.html

good luck. nothing worse than stubborn bolts....
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