Going up and coming down issues

Yep. I've known & practiced nothing but HGMonaros understanding. Not talking about backing up here though. Its allot easier to resume travel downhill than uphill.
Regards: Grant.

That seems to be the unwritten rule in the High Country.

Your right. The excepted old rule was to give way to those climbing. However, that also depends on the conditions.

The upper Zeta Spur is very narrow and won’t allow passing in some sections.

It would be completely unreasonable in this scenario to expect a person to reverse a trailer up the track for quite a distance (not to mention dangerous).

Common sense needs to prevail.

Regards

Kim

Great in theory...just keep sending someone forward to 'see' if anyone else is coming...what just do little 500m 'bumps' each time??

I didnt read this situation as a RIGHT of WAY?? That is the stupidest statement and has caused soo many accidents on streets and is not even an argument in court!

If you had 'right of way' and did not try to avoid an accident then you are just as liable. Like people barging through round-abouts!!

I read the post, not as to who had right of way but in a plea to common sense or lack of in a difficult situation. What was the problem with pulling over or back to let a vehicle decending with a trailer. The only possible outcome occurred eventually and the tralier vehicles were allowed to descend....no need for anyone to be arrogant hey!

Its very similar on the water the most manuvable craft MUST give way to the least manuverable!! Ahh common sense!!


All the best

Matt.

Matt, my point is that it would be common sense to avoid the situation rather then get into a position such as was described. If you KNOW that the next section of track COULD cause a problem then common sense would be to send some one on ahead to scout for places where vehicles can pass. Or, if you meet some one coming towards the group then they can be warned that there are vehicles with trailers coming along behind. It's done all the time for convoys in sand dunes and wide loads on the highway. The only trouble is common sense does not seem to be to common these days.

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Agree...great in theory but just about usefull as cow teats on a golfball in practice. Unless the track has just one little convenient tight spot that you can plan the complete trip around.

The lack of common sense is the attitude posted when the situation occurred, which is a situation that could occur many times every trip.

I have lost count the times I have met oncoming traffic and you look each other over, assess the situation as to who can easily manuvour and get it done. But you cant seriously blame the trailer driver and believe that he could have avoided the situation and was arrogant to want to get his trailer to a secluded spot??


All the Best

Matt.

Matt, the guy was in a convoy. I don't blame him I blame the organisation of that convoy.

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Gidday Kiwi


As in the Simpson and similar areas, we use the radio regularly to determine if others are on the track. However, the use of UHF is very limited in the Victorian high country (VHC) as others will attest to.

I’ve not used the method of scouting ahead up in the VHC, but it may have some merit if somebody in the party had prior knowledge of the track. This would only be practical if the ‘scout’ can contact the others by radio in the event of an obstruction.

Oncoming traffic is not the only issue. Fallen trees, landslides, snow and washouts are all part of the interest.

Most people I think will acknowledge that ‘what’s around the next corner’ is a big part of the reason why we do what we do. I wouldn’t like to see that sense of adventure diminished by too much caution. But I do take your point.

Regards

Kim

Kiwi Im still totally at a loss as to what blame there is at all for the trailer group?? Have you never ventured in more than two vehicles...that constitutes convoy. Did you have trip logs, convoy orders and contigency plans for a trip along a track?

Hell no! Again nice in practice but does it happen in reality? With a safe approach and stoppiing and thinking if obstacles are encountered (be them, trees, creeks, or other vehicles) you stop assess and take appropriate action.

I have driven all over Aust in regimented convoys and again all over aust in ad-hoc or improvised convoys...does that make me irresponsible just for doing such?

If my mates an I travel together and encounter a problem we deal with it and there is no reason to blame anyone for something that you EXPECT to happen.

The issue was two groups met and the most manouvarable group made a fuss about having to back up for a small distance to allow passage for BOTH groups. It was the only option and there didnt need to be any fuss whatsoever...hence the post. It has nothing to do with convoy decipline or lack of planning or radio operation or anything apart from the attitude that was given was not necessary or constructive.

All the best

Matt.

Matt, I usually do three x 6000 km trips in Australia each year. In New Zealand I do convoy trips leading 10 to 20 vehicles about once a month (on bush tracks). If you can't see the point of what I was trying to get across then there is no point going any further.

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I see your point and find it pedantic and not relevant, there was nothing wrong with either groups actions till the pi$$ing competition happened on the hill. There was no need for it...there was no problem just move and move on.

Too many experts now that ruin can the trip thinking they are more important that everyone else out there.

All the best

Matt.