200 Series Landcruiser - Rust problem
Submitted: Wednesday, Mar 18, 2009 at 22:10
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Shackrob
I purchased a new 200 series 6 months ago. About 4 weeks ago I noticed hundreds of little rust spots peppering the paint on all upper surfaces, especially the roof and bonnet. I took it to a panel beater who said he has had to re-spray two white 200 series landcruisers with the same symptoms in the last two months.
Of course, Toyota are avoiding any responsibility and suggesting rail dust and angle grinding as the cause, but thie vehicle has been garaged almost 7 days a week since new and has not been parked near rail lines or angle grinders (except when in for a service) since new.
Does anyone know if this is a common problem, as suggested by the panel beater?
Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Mar 18, 2009 at 23:05
Wednesday, Mar 18, 2009 at 23:05
If you knew the car has not been subjected to "grinding dust" or other outside possibilities, It begs the question of why would you even consider wearing the cost yourself??
If it was me and I knew it was a genuine problem with the car I would have obtained an expert report and taken it back to Toyota and said "Your problem".
Toyota offer a five year Corrosion Perforation Warranty and a 3 year 100,000 KM Paint Defect and Surface Rust Warranty.
In my experience as a Toyota owner they have always been very good with any genuine warranty claim.
Me thinks your panel beater has taken the opportunity to pull your pants down and make some money out of you by speaking crap.
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Follow Up By: Shackrob - Wednesday, Mar 18, 2009 at 23:19
Wednesday, Mar 18, 2009 at 23:19
Sounds like good advice
John. Any idea where I might get an expert report from? I thought going to a panel beater might be a good first step, but agree that they might be just trying to drum up more work.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Mar 18, 2009 at 23:37
Wednesday, Mar 18, 2009 at 23:37
Google is your friend, maybe a Uni that does engineering consultancy??
Or an automotive paint manufacturer??
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Thursday, Mar 19, 2009 at 20:16
Thursday, Mar 19, 2009 at 20:16
Maybe your state's motoring body - RAA/RACV/NRMA etc etc
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Mar 19, 2009 at 08:58
Thursday, Mar 19, 2009 at 08:58
Hi Shackrob
I would first pick a little spot of the rust on the roof or somewhere less visible and scrape thru
the spot until I got to the bare metal and note wether the size of the rust spot increases or decreases as you progress down.
Rust comes from oxidation of metal and it can be from metal dust on the surface - which will decrease in size as you go down or the body which wil increase in size as you go down.
Some thirty years ago when I put my first ever aerial thru the car roof I did not clean fine metal particles off from drilling the hole (with a blunt drill) , and a couple of days later significant and hard to remove spots appeared just from condensation.
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Reply By: Sea-Dog - Thursday, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:58
Thursday, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:58
I worked for a time at a Ford dealership detailing cars ready to go out to new owners... on more than one occasion the paint was rough like sand paper and had tiny rust specs all over the place and the reasoning at that time was the cars were delivered by train and it was iron filings etc from the rail brakes etc ????
As expected the instruction was to buff the paint and hope the owners didn't complain about it in the future.
Unless you have been on a job site and someone has been using a grinder near your car you could reasonably argue that it was from factory or dealer delivery and either way not your problem and accept nothing less than a complete solution.. cut and polish may wipe away the surface rust staining but the metal will probably still be imbedded in the paint work.
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Reply By: Member - Marco T (VIC) - Thursday, Mar 19, 2009 at 22:46
Thursday, Mar 19, 2009 at 22:46
Shackrob,
I had a similar thing on my patrol.
I noticed very small brown spots on the whole car that could be felt with the fingernail. These were only noticeable on close inspection. I wash my car regularly and I know they had only turned up all of a sudden.
I retraced my steps and found that when parked on site (Builder) my car was the recipient of brick acid and sand blown 50m on a windy day from a building site up the road. It was the blow off when they brick clean walls.
I was not a happy man.
Have you parked near building sites at all?
Marco
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