Vehicle choice

Submitted: Tuesday, Aug 19, 2003 at 21:57
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I'm looking at getting into four wheel driving. I've always thought that the Range Rover was the "top of the range" but I see very little mention of it on this forum. Is it actually the best (Land Rover history and all that) or are there more capable vehicles around nowadays?
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Reply By: Member - Bob - Tuesday, Aug 19, 2003 at 22:07

Tuesday, Aug 19, 2003 at 22:07
Michael,
hahaha. We like people who stir the possum.
I say go for the Lada.Bob
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Follow Up By: haze - Thursday, Aug 21, 2003 at 17:38

Thursday, Aug 21, 2003 at 17:38
TRuckster, you sure have a sense of humor, if somewhat perverse!
First you say "magazine says rangie exi. to repair", ok by you. then you say "magazine say bmw 4wd of year" bulldust by you. (and me too) But I dont read mags. for the same reason I dont listen to politicians. You know from the start its going to be crap.
I have 2 mates with rangies,(1-85, 1-91) both absolutely amazing off road in bog standard rig. BUT they get looked after, trouble free, ok, in petrol likes a drink but the VM turbo unit is as good as they come.
As I mentioned, when it comes down to it, what 4x4 is cheap to fix?
Think I need another red and put the Highwaymen back on!
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Reply By: kezza - Tuesday, Aug 19, 2003 at 22:15

Tuesday, Aug 19, 2003 at 22:15
Nissans and Toyotas both have good reputations for offroad capability, reliability and field servicability which are all advantages in our remote Australian conditions. While there may be other issues they are more related to personal preferences and opinions, marketing, and price.

Talk to mechanics as well.

Kes
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Reply By: Martyn (WA) - Tuesday, Aug 19, 2003 at 22:20

Tuesday, Aug 19, 2003 at 22:20
Michael,
Range Rover has awsome offroad ability is near enough standard form, I have an 85 4dr 5 speed and have a lot of fun with it, as with most / all fourbys they have downfalls, fuel economy is "not the best", parts aren't the cheapest, the drive train isn't as robust as you would hope, the seats are comfortable and the Rangie also has a good driving position, opening the door windows is a pain in the asp, electric is the way to go, mines got around the 245k on the clock and is still good, not great, good, I have a lot of conversations with the gearbox most of which the box wins, good ground clearance, don't let the aluminium body work fool you the Rangie is heavy. Loads of accessories available don't bother with an engine conversion can be tricky, laughter all the way.
Capability comes a lot down to driver ability, the fouby is just the tool you use, how you use it is up to you.
All in my opinion as usual, I have a GQ as well also good off road, depends what you want.Keep the shiny side up
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Follow Up By: Williewags- Wednesday, Aug 20, 2003 at 17:15

Wednesday, Aug 20, 2003 at 17:15
G'day Martyn,
Pretty good description of a Rangie......you forgot doesn't like water crossings....and if you are over 6 foot tall then fitting in the drivers side could be a problem.
Cheers,
Willie
Fitzmaurice River NT
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Follow Up By: Old Jack - Thursday, Aug 21, 2003 at 09:14

Thursday, Aug 21, 2003 at 09:14
Williewags & all
Umm have found rangie's no worse than other petrol 4WD's in water crossings, the older 3.5lt motors fuel ecconomy no worse compared to say a petrol patrol and better than a LC of the same age. As for parts cost's I don't think you couild describe any 4wd$ parts costs as cheap.
having pulled apart a few over the years I would have to say that with the correct tools(pommy so they have the odd bit of WW on them) they are no worse to work on than other trucks, in fact takeing out gearboxes to replace a clutch is a snack!, just remove the seats and foor, take the engine crain in the door and hay presto no grunting & groning under the thing.

As for gear boxes/transfercases plenty of 75 series LC get to 100,000-130,000 before they are shagged....
For the Mechanically minded they can be a lot of fun, go places in standard condition that other won't, if you have ever worked on Pommy cars you will feel right at home.
Biggest bug bear is the fact that the average home handy person(and some mechanics) won't have the correct tools to work on them and people butcher nut's & bolts etc. making it hard for the next person.
actually this applies for most cars.

My brother owned one for 8 years(1977 model, bought it in 1990), used to do 600 klm a week to work & back. plus trips out into the bush:- 1 clutch, a re-lined the brakes, a set of shocks and a dead speedo. other than that it was just normal servicing.
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Reply By: uppy - Tuesday, Aug 19, 2003 at 22:21

Tuesday, Aug 19, 2003 at 22:21
spent sometime in russia driving around in a 4 door niva dont drive them in temps under -40 they dont start. But a great vehicle for russia. Not many landrovers but alot of patrols . Michael,if you are thinking of buying a car . Start on a lower budget vehicle and give it time so you can decide where you want to go
regards uppy
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Reply By: nugget - Tuesday, Aug 19, 2003 at 22:27

Tuesday, Aug 19, 2003 at 22:27
Michael
Range Rovers are very capable. I have a LWB GQ 4.2 turbo diesel and often go off roading with a couple of Rangies. They leave me left standing especially in rocky terrain. Mind you they don't care what sort of panel damage they sustain in the process, while I'm not quite as aggresive when tackling a hill. I don't break axles either whereas they quite often do. I also don't have to work on my car every weekend. A SWB GQ Patrol would be a worthy adversary.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: uppy - Tuesday, Aug 19, 2003 at 22:43

Tuesday, Aug 19, 2003 at 22:43
Nugget ive had a gq swb 4.2 diesel in nz for years until the family grow and great car almost for anything!!!, Ive got a lwb now great wagons for the cost
regards uppy
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Aug 19, 2003 at 22:33

Tuesday, Aug 19, 2003 at 22:33
Rangies are ok, but VERY thirsty and expensive to repair, thats why lots have Chev motors in them that have been used offroad.

"top of the range", if you believe magazines, then a BMW is a offroader too...

Theres dozens of better value 4wds out there.

YMMV.
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Follow Up By: haze - Wednesday, Aug 20, 2003 at 21:01

Wednesday, Aug 20, 2003 at 21:01
Very mean of you Truck-stir, Rangies in standard or modified are the undeniable superior off road vehicle. And which 4wd is cheap to repair?
Thirsty, the VM diesel model will put that one to bed.
BMW "offroader"? will leave it at that.
"dozens of better value 4wds"- name 12 will do.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Aug 20, 2003 at 22:40

Wednesday, Aug 20, 2003 at 22:40
I said they are ok, what would you like me to say? There was a story on buying used Rangies on one of the mags while back, do ya self a favor read it.

If you think a Rangie is cheap to repair, you have never done it. Specially engines, thats why most people Convert them.

BMW Also won 4wd of the year didnt it? So according to magazines it must be good? When we know it aint.

Name 12.

Jackaroo x 2 flavours
Prado x 2 flavours
GU x 4 flavours
Pathfinder
HiLux x lots of models.
Challanger
80 series
GQ's
MK
MQ
55 series
75 series
78 series etc
etc etc..

All are BETTER VALUE.

Shiat even a Holden Rodeo would give better value, but then 1/2 of them suffer from IFS, so.

Anyone who spends $100+k on a car to scratch and bash, has more money than brains.

YMMV
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Follow Up By: Williewags- Thursday, Aug 21, 2003 at 09:05

Thursday, Aug 21, 2003 at 09:05
Hey Truckster.......you forgot to mention the MIGHTY G60...:-)

Fitzmaurice River NT
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Thursday, Aug 21, 2003 at 14:28

Thursday, Aug 21, 2003 at 14:28
Damn I did too! Spank me!
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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Tuesday, Aug 19, 2003 at 23:16

Tuesday, Aug 19, 2003 at 23:16
Gday
Check out the 4 sale section, for 12k and a bit, theres an awsome 4b for sale in there.
Go the unimog!
Andrewwheredayathinkwer mike?
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Reply By: Suzuki Viagra - Thursday, Aug 21, 2003 at 00:56

Thursday, Aug 21, 2003 at 00:56
I challenge 99% of Range Rovers to do what my Vitara does at 1/10th the price.

What u need to realise is that no car 4wd or otherwise will do exactly what u want unless u customise i. I have and hence my Vitara is fabulous for what I wish to do (although not so fabulous for what 90% of R^angie owners want to do).

Horses for corses after all.
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Follow Up By: haze - Thursday, Aug 21, 2003 at 17:52

Thursday, Aug 21, 2003 at 17:52
Hey suzuki, you sure your not hitting the ol viagra too hard? My mate paid $12500 for an 85 rangie in good nick. So how many sheckels for a vitara -- $1250? (1/10)
I do realize its "horses for courses" so keep yours on a flat track, well off the rail and providing its dry you could run a place at good odds.
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Follow Up By: Old Jack - Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 17:01

Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 17:01
would put money on a 1985 rangie over a 1985 suzuki anyday.

lets start with twice the suspension travel, better wheel articulation (the benchmark by which all other 4wd on the market are judged) 4 wheel disc breaks, comfortable ride, good turning circle for it's size constant 4wd, full ladder chassis, low centre of gravity, close to 45 degree side slope (you viagra will tip over a lot sooner than the rangie let alone the 1985 model suzuki)

ever seen what they use rangerovers for in pommy land? the police use them on the Hyway patrol. have seen footage of range roves being used to tow loaded semi trailers off the roadways to clear traffic jamms, id like to see a suzuki do that!
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Reply By: Suzuki Viagra - Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 20:42

Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 20:42
$3000 for the Vitara actually when I bought it.

So maybe I can just do far more than he can for less than 1/4 the money.....

If I had of bought a 1985 Sierra and done what I've done to the Viagra (and more besides with the same money and a $2k headstart), I would be able to do more for 1/10th the money no problems :D

Unless he's thrown another 10k at his Range Rover on modifcations then he ain't gonna keep up with the Viagra in most conditions (Although he probably will have a skinnier wallet and the lack of weight might help offroad). Maybe in some conditions he'll beat me but there won't be too many. No offense, that's just the way it is :D

As I said, I've customised mine quite a bit - almost all done at home on a very tight budget. If you don't believe me come and watch the Viagra some time. All these guys with full spec 4wds (mega travel, 33", 35" muddies and twin lockers) down at Ormeau got a big suprise when I showed them that not only could I keep up on 31"s but in a few cases do it much easier than them. The only thing I sturggle on is on some hillclimbs where the SWB stuggles to get the front over an obstacle while the back is still gripping - and a SWB Rangie will face the same problem .

Range rovers may be capable in stock form, and there are some belters out there on the competition circuit (triumph of engineering over design), but otherwise they are thirsty and unreliable old pieces of crap. Sorry to the Rover fans, but Rovers always have been and always will be - that's why they've been bought and sold (as a factory) so many times over the last 25 years - it's not a successful company due to poor parts and shoddy workmanship.

Before the Japanese car revolution of the 1960's we would have put up with it - these days we don't and companies have had to move with the times (such as Ford and Holden Australia) or die off (Rover and Leyland Australia).

This is why Cruisers and Patrols are no 1 and 2 in Australia

The fact that someone recommends a 1985 Sierra instead shows that some people truly know this.
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